Scotland Debate

[Old Skier]

I have heard some sorry NHS tales from my English friends and relatives.

No good ones then. Your friends must be very unlucky. I think everyone would agree that there are major problems in the NHS but it's all about where the tax£'s are spent.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Likeif you need to see a consultant you are limited to those your gp has an agreement with - and that consultant may not be not be at the hospital you want treated at or indeed your own local hospital

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I noted that on introducing QT last night DD referred to the panel as 'laity' as opposed to the normal bunch of politicians - though in referring to laity methinks he forgot which country he was in

 

[Val]

I would second that. Open your mind to another view.

I have heard some sorry NHS tales from my English friends and relatives.

So it's another view not a fact, so im right then, it's nonsense

 

[Old Skier]

Is this time to say those in Falkirk are fed up because of the waiting times to have their bins empty?

 

[SocketRocket]

No good ones then. Your friends must be very unlucky. I think everyone would agree that there are major problems in the NHS but it's all about where the tax£'s are spent.

Thats correct. They have also inherited another 4 million customers in the last decade.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

So it's another view not a fact, so im right then, it's nonsense

If you watched it, it was a pretty level headed tale about the differences in the Scottish and English NHS and her view on the future
of both.

 

[Val]

If you watched it, it was a pretty level headed tale about the differences in the Scottish and English NHS and her view on the future
of both.

So nothing at all with Scotland losing the free NHS

 

[Doon frae Troon]

So nothing at all with Scotland losing the free NHS

Just watch it and you may understand!

 

[Old Skier]

Just watch it and you may understand!

She was a left wing public sector worker having a bitch.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I was listening to 5Live a minute ago and there was a Scottish finance guy on - Carmicheal i think his name was

Anyway he was discussing the membership into the EU - currently obviously the UK has membership and if Scotland did vote yes then that membership would still continue for the UK. Now Scotland obviously would need to apply for membership and he was saying there is no set time for that to be accepted as there could be some issues to sort out and some countries would have extra demands ( he mentioned Spain ) and he came up with some reasoned comments and seem to speak a lot of sense -

Alex Salmonds reply was - There is no issue Scotland will be accepted straight away - and that was it - Carmicheal then just stated that Salmond needs to start accepting that there could be issues in regards independance and its time he stops dismissing them and burying himself in the sand - they were saying that one of the biggest negative factors towards independance is Salmond himself and his attitude

 

[19thagain]

I was listening to 5Live a minute ago and there was a Scottish finance guy on - Carmicheal i think his name was

Anyway he was discussing the membership into the EU - currently obviously the UK has membership and if Scotland did vote yes then that membership would still continue for the UK. Now Scotland obviously would need to apply for membership and he was saying there is no set time for that to be accepted as there could be some issues to sort out and some countries would have extra demands ( he mentioned Spain ) and he came up with some reasoned comments and seem to speak a lot of sense -

Alex Salmonds reply was - There is no issue Scotland will be accepted straight away - and that was it - Carmicheal then just stated that Salmond needs to start accepting that there could be issues in regards independance and its time he stops dismissing them and burying himself in the sand - they were saying that one of the biggest negative factors towards independance is Salmond himself and his attitude

I respect where you are coming from with, what is, the view of one side of the argument.

Up here Alex Salmond enjoys very high support in the face of all the jibes from the Press.

I do not think his head is in the sand but as an economist, it is full of statistics that could make sense.

Will England/Britain be in the EU after the vote that is being promised, maybe Mr Carmichael was also able to predict this as well.

It could be Scotland in, England out.

It will take time for our new nation to get down the correct path and maybe during this time we will make less head way than the rest of the UK but when it all comes together we will have a country that is ours, not a Home Counties ruled country, with the values we embrace and that believe it or not, is not financial but a better social future for our generations coming behind us.

£500 better off, £1000 better off? Who cares, it is the health of OUR nation that matters in an ongoing global market and guess what? We are all grown ups and accept that mistakes will happen, that in some ways we should still be in the UK but overall our future .... and we will have one, will be dictated by Scots in Scotland.

The currency, interest rates, etc, will all sort themselves out in the fullness of time as we get stronger, with maybe a wee hurting along the way. It is like watching your child learning to crawl, walk and then run - you know as a parent there will be a few cut knees, bruised brows and tears but when you see them run in their school sports that is all forgotten because it was a price worth paying!

Now remind me again why England want us to stay in the Union?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I respect where you are coming from with, what is, the view of one side of the argument.

Up here Alex Salmond enjoys very high support in the face of all the jibes from the Press.

I do not think his head is in the sand but as an economist, it is full of statistics that could make sense.

Will England/Britain be in the EU after the vote that is being promised, maybe Mr Carmichael was also able to predict this as well.

It could be Scotland in, England out.

It will take time for our new nation to get down the correct path and maybe during this time we will make less head way than the rest of the UK but when it all comes together we will have a country that is ours, not a Home Counties ruled country, with the values we embrace and that believe it or not, is not financial but a better social future for our generations coming behind us.

£500 better off, £1000 better off? Who cares, it is the health of OUR nation that matters in an ongoing global market and guess what? We are all grown ups and accept that mistakes will happen, that in some ways we should still be in the UK but overall our future .... and we will have one, will be dictated by Scots in Scotland.

The currency, interest rates, etc, will all sort themselves out in the fullness of time as we get stronger, with maybe a wee hurting along the way. It is like watching your child learning to crawl, walk and then run - you know as a parent there will be a few cut knees, bruised brows and tears but when you see them run in their school sports that is all forgotten because it was a price worth paying!

Now remind me again why England want us to stay in the Union?

Sorry but the union isnt just England - England arent in the EU - the UK are and will stay in the EU regardless of what happens.

UK wants Scotland to stay in the union ( England , Wales and N Ireland ) because many believe in strength in numbers.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Corby Votes No!

414 votes for No

162 votes for Yes

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Corby Votes No!

414 votes for No

162 votes for Yes

From Scots living in England......not really a surprise then.

Re. Strength in numbers.
John Boyle used that argument in a recent debate but a guy from the audience said. 'If Scotland were just a wee country on it's own. We would have no WMD's and would not have become involved in illegal wars.'

 

[Deleted member 15344]

From Scots living in England......not really a surprise then.

Re. Strength in numbers.
John Boyle used that argument in a recent debate but a guy from the audience said. 'If Scotland were just a wee country on it's own. We would have no WMD's and would not have become involved in illegal wars.'

Believe latest polls have the yes down to 32%

And if we were to become part of NATO you would be involved in the same conflicts

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Believe latest polls have the yes down to 32%

Phil, the polls are all over the place, nobody in Scotland takes any notice of them.

We do sometime tell little porkies to the pollsters just to keep them on their toes.

The last Scottish election should have been be a good indicator.

 

[Old Skier]

Now remind me again why England want us to stay in the Union?

And there is the problem with the yes campaign, it is so England centric they forget about the RUK.

 

[Old Skier]

From Scots living in England......not really a surprise then..'

And there are so many of them, I wonder what is so bad about living in Scotland. Surely it's not just the midges.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Believe latest polls have the yes down to 32%

And if we were to become part of NATO you would be involved in the same conflicts

I don't think NATO were involved in any illegal wars.