Scotland Debate

[Doon frae Troon]

I see Cameron was stitched up like a turkey in Europe. Only one other country supporting his proposals.
On top of the Coulson affair I think the man is rapidly turning into a liability for the UK Government.

 

[2blue]

:thup::thup:

I see Cameron was stitched up like a turkey in Europe. Only one other country supporting his proposals.
On top of the Coulson affair I think the man is rapidly turning into a liability for the UK Government.

Please, Oh please..... don't vote YES & leave us with him & Tory Governments forever..... or just as bad, UKIP.... the prospect of losing your Labour vote is scary for the North of England

 

[SocketRocket]

I see Cameron was stitched up like a turkey in Europe. Only one other country supporting his proposals.
On top of the Coulson affair I think the man is rapidly turning into a liability for the UK Government.

He was representing the best interests of his country in Europe. More than the majority of Euro cretins were doing, they were just sticking two fingers up to the rising discontent among the people over the way it is being run.

 

[2blue]

He was representing the best interests of his country in Europe. More than the majority of Euro cretins were doing, they were just sticking two fingers up to the rising discontent among the people over the way it is being run.

So let's threaten to take our ball home..... that'll teach em...... what a simple Pratt he is.... can't see him lasting much longer.... the worry is there are even greater Tory plonkers waiting to take over.

 

[SocketRocket]

So let's threaten to take our ball home..... that'll teach em...... what a simple Pratt he is.... can't see him lasting much longer.... the worry is there are even greater Tory plonkers waiting to take over.

I dont think he had a ball to take home, he was representing the majority of people in his country which is more than most were. Dont you want a reformed relationship with Europe then, are you content with the way its plodding along the road to become another USSR, and we all know how that ended.

So whats better? Labour :rofl:

 

[Doon frae Troon]

That's what I was reminded of..........the posh kid who owns the only football threatening to go home if they don't let him win.

 

[SocketRocket]

That's what I was reminded of..........the posh kid who owns the only football threatening to go home if they don't let him win.

What football is that then?

 

[2blue]

What football is that then?

Oh dear, for heavens sake, let me explain. We would all love to have a renegotiated position but that will not happen if you take your ball home ie. leave. Just making that threat is quite harmful to EUs position.

 

[SocketRocket]

Oh dear, for heavens sake, let me explain. We would all love to have a renegotiated position but that will not happen if you take your ball home ie. leave. Just making that threat is quite harmful to EUs position.

The person with the ball is Merkel, Cameron has nothing to take away. Should he have cow towed down to the Eurocrats and accepted that a past it, drunk who was tossed out of his own tinpot Parliament is suitable to preside over the superstate. You seem to prefer to use childish insulting comments to anyone with a differing opinion, placing you exactly into the persona you accuse him of. Personally I am proud our leader stood up against them and wont insult you if you differ in opinion.

 

[Old Skier]

Sounds like a few on here didn't have a clue about what this Presidential election was about or how he was selected. Head in sand and crack on.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

So let's threaten to take our ball home..... that'll teach em...... what a simple Pratt he is.... can't see him lasting much longer.... the worry is there are even greater Tory plonkers waiting to take over.

Yeah we would be so much better off with Labour.

After all we would not have to do anything, their leader does not think the electorate could be trusted with a referendum.

Patronising p*****k.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Fighting a battle that you have no chance whatsoever of winning does not show great leadership qualities IMHO.

Once again UK policy is being driven by the South of England.
Salmond must be laughing his socks off.

 

[Rumpokid]

I see Cameron was stitched up like a turkey in Europe. Only one other country supporting his proposals.
On top of the Coulson affair I think the man is rapidly turning into a liability for the UK Government.

Caalm down ehh..You'll soon have your McOwn....FTR.He was stitched up...

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Fighting a battle that you have no chance whatsoever of winning does not show great leadership qualities IMHO.

Once again UK policy is being driven by the South of England.
Salmond must be laughing his socks off.

I thought you, at least, would appreciate someone standing by their principles.

Would you be happier if, like his predecessors, Brown and Blair the PM just caved in to Brussels. What chance would any Government have of renegotiation if the Federalists in Europe knew we would never rock the boat.

It is not the South of England dictating policy, just look at the results of the recent Euro elections throughout GB. There is no real support for either increased influence from Brussels or,even, maintaining the status quo.

As for Salmond laughing his socks off. So what, he certainly does not appear to be making the breakthrough needed.

BTW before you jump to conclusions I am neither a Tory or UKIPper, merely a firm believer in democracy.

 

[SocketRocket]

Fighting a battle that you have no chance whatsoever of winning does not show great leadership qualities IMHO.

Just as well Churchill didn't take that advice.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

BTW before you jump to conclusions I am neither a Tory or UKIPper, merely a firm believer in democracy.

Glad to hear that, so what are your views on a Tory UK government taking us out of Europe against the wishes of the Scots nation that has one Tory MP.

 

[Hobbit]

Glad to hear that, so what are your views on a Tory UK government taking us out of Europe against the wishes of the Scots nation that has one Tory MP.

Playing Devil's advocate, what's your views of Scotland dictating that the UK stays in Europe? Surely, as part of a Union you'd respect the democracy of that Union?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Playing Devil's advocate, what's your views of Scotland dictating that the UK stays in Europe? Surely, as part of a Union you'd respect the democracy of that Union?

We could never dictate as our population is much smaller.
rUk hold all the cards when it comes to UK policy.

 

[MegaSteve]

Glad to hear that, so what are your views on a Tory UK government taking us out of Europe against the wishes of the Scots nation that has one Tory MP.

No Tory government will take the UK out of Europe willingly...

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Glad to hear that, so what are your views on a Tory UK government taking us out of Europe against the wishes of the Scots nation that has one Tory MP.

I would imagine they are about the same as yours on the times when Scotland has determined that England and the rest of the UK would have a Labour Government despite the majority of voters in those other parts of the UK deciding otherwise.

Democracy has its downs as well as its ups and it seems some can accept that better than others.

By the way where has the Tory party said they intend to take the UK out of Europe?