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If a player forgets to hand in his scorecard at end of his round and takes it home, can he bring it back and put it in the box to count or at what point does it not count
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depends if the comp has closed or not?
if its after you might be DQ, but the score would still count for handicap if handed in still.
a few clubs around here who use HDIDO are using an online scorecard with an app so no scorecard in use.
if its after you might be DQ, but the score would still count for handicap if handed in still.
a few clubs around here who use HDIDO are using an online scorecard with an app so no scorecard in use.
fundy
Ryder Cup Winner
yes, no or maybe depending on your club and its rules
rulefan
Tour Winner
There are two considerations, the competition and handicap records.
If the comp has closed then the player is DQd from the competition. The competition committee should specify in the terms/conditions when a comp is deemed closed.
Regardless of the above the score must be recorded in the handicap software system.
If the comp has closed then the player is DQd from the competition. The competition committee should specify in the terms/conditions when a comp is deemed closed.
Regardless of the above the score must be recorded in the handicap software system.
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
As per others - if the comp has closed it will not count for the comp.
Particularly when the WHS comes in it must be returned or handicap.
mikejohnchapman
Challenge Tour Pro
Interestingly as we move towards on-line entry the situation could change.
If you come in after the round and enter your score it depends a little on the competition conditions as to whether the committee demand a physical card be handed in. It is certainly and option not to do so and it still be valid.
If you come in after the round and enter your score it depends a little on the competition conditions as to whether the committee demand a physical card be handed in. It is certainly and option not to do so and it still be valid.
rulefan
Tour Winner
The CONGU rules currently specify that the score card must be recorded
IanM
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This year have have been getting players to key their own cards into an App. (scores verified by playing partner) One slightly absent minded former college lecturer at our club has (genuinely) "forgotten" to key in his scores twice now. Once a good score, once not good. Those scores haven't been entered as you cant key them after the comp has closed and he didn't give them to the club to key.. bet he's chucked the cards out too!
I've checked the "decisions book" for "dozy herberts" but can't find anything!!
So, when you say "MUST" be recorded, what if it isnt?
I've checked the "decisions book" for "dozy herberts" but can't find anything!!
So, when you say "MUST" be recorded, what if it isnt?
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rulefan
Tour Winner
It is possible for the club to take disciplinary action and also make an appropriate adjustment to his handicap.
Swango1980
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An interesting topic now that we are moving to online entry AND the Covid situation.
At our club, to avoid cross contamination, our competition secretary asks all competitors to enter their score on the HDID App, and for one person in the group to e-mail a photo of the scorecard to him directly, with the scores of all players. Sadly, a handful of players have often "forgotten" to enter their scores using the App, and as a result it has taken days to chase them to do so, before closing the comp.
So, what are other clubs doing to define a No Return?
1. Are they still asking for physical scorecards to be returned, in which case that would meet the definition.
2. If they are only asking for photos of the cards, are you asking EVERY player to do so, or just one player from each group?
3. Once we get into WHS, will physical scorecards, at some point down the line, become a thing of the past? If so, are their thought as to what a No Return would be in terms of a Competition Result
We haven't ultimately disciplined anyone for not bothering to enter their scores using the App, despite the headache it causes the comp sec. There has been a thought, which I believe is used by clubs for other matters (such as not turning up for a comp at all) where, after a warning, a player could be banned for 3 comps. However, I personally think this is a ridiculous rule, in that you are punishing regular golfers who support comps the most severely, yet it may be no punishment at all for a player than only plays once every 2 or 3 months. I feel a better way might be to charge players double the entry fee for the next competition they enter, regardless on when that comp is.
rulefan
Tour Winner
3.3b(2)/1 – Players Are Required to Enter Only Scores on a Scorecard
There is a difference between requiring players to enter a score for a round into a computer (such as for handicapping purposes) and being required to enter hole scores using an electronic form of scorecard approved by the Committee (such as a mobile scoring application).
The Committee may require players to use a scorecard other than a paper scorecard (such as an electronic form of scorecard), but the Committee has no authority to impose a penalty under Rule 3.3b(2) for failing to enter scores elsewhere.
However, to help in administrative matters (such as the efficient production and communication of competition results), a Committee may apply a penalty under a Code of Conduct (Rule 1.2b) or provide disciplinary sanctions (such as revoking entry into the next competition) for failing to enter scores elsewhere.
There is a difference between requiring players to enter a score for a round into a computer (such as for handicapping purposes) and being required to enter hole scores using an electronic form of scorecard approved by the Committee (such as a mobile scoring application).
The Committee may require players to use a scorecard other than a paper scorecard (such as an electronic form of scorecard), but the Committee has no authority to impose a penalty under Rule 3.3b(2) for failing to enter scores elsewhere.
However, to help in administrative matters (such as the efficient production and communication of competition results), a Committee may apply a penalty under a Code of Conduct (Rule 1.2b) or provide disciplinary sanctions (such as revoking entry into the next competition) for failing to enter scores elsewhere.
rulie
Head Pro
The competition is closed when the Committee says it is closed (in the terms of the competition). Scores not received by that time are irrelevant. (Rules of golf) It is difficult to give penalty strokes to a player who does not have a score!
But, some handicapping bodies have different rules (not Rules of golf) that are to be followed.
But, some handicapping bodies have different rules (not Rules of golf) that are to be followed.
At the moment all scores are entered via the computer. Scorecards are not signed, 1 card could cover everyone in the group, and they are put in the recycling bin as soon as they have been entered. No pictures taken, all is done on trust. The comp is closed at the end of the day, around 8pm at the moment. If you have forgotten to enter your score then you will be classed as a NR. They would not hold up the whole comp for the forgetful golfer/s.
Swango1980
Well-known member
Interesting. So, if a players wants their handicap to go down, and they shoot a bad score, they can just "forget" to enter their score. Or, if a player shoots a very good score, but find out it is still not good enough for the win, they can just "forget" to enter their score and avoid a handicap cut?
I appreciate we are in difficult covid times, and clubs are doing their best to keep things going. So, the above is not a criticism in the slightest. However, omitting golfers who have not entered their score, for whatever reason, will mean their handicap record wiil not be updated to reflect how they played
rulie
Head Pro
As noted above, there are Rules of golf issued by golf's ruling bodies and then rules of handicapping issued by the national handicapping association.
Colin L
Tour Winner
The WHS rules include a provision for a penalty score for not submitting a score without a valid reason. That includes preventing a low score from reducing your HI and preventing a high score from increasing it. Rule 7.1b(ii). If a Committee does not take action when necessary, it can as you say have consequences. Avoiding having your HI going down when it should is, of course, the one that matters more in terms of disadvantaging other people.
The aim is it is for this year only, it is not a permanent situation. We are all just happy to be playing, the rest is just detail ?.
A bad score will still get a +0.1 if they don't enter their score, we have to enter before going out still. If you have a very good score you can still gain in monetary terms by coming 2nd or 3rd so most will still put them in. I get your point but we don't have a big enough entry list for comps for this to be a real issue or one that can't be controlled. I appreciate it will be different at other clubs.
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I took a card home the other week.
So I took a photo and WhatsApp’d it to the assistant pro, who entered it into the system for me.
So I took a photo and WhatsApp’d it to the assistant pro, who entered it into the system for me.
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
We have cards 'must be returned' we verify players record against the markers recorded scores. We can record the scores on the PSI computer ask member of staff to do it for you or use the IG app. Some take a photo of the card and enter the scores when they get home.
Colin L
Tour Winner
That sounds like a whole lot of unneccesary work. What do you do if the player hasn't made a record of his scores on his marker's card?
