bobmac
Major Champion
And your opponent in match play claims you have placed the ball on a lovely worm cast 8 inches nearer the hole?
Ruling not best practise please
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And your opponent in match play claims you have placed the ball on a lovely worm cast 8 inches nearer the hole?
chrisd
Major Champion
What if he/she claims you MARKED your ball "8" nearer .........." the fact is that you dont have to have the marking, picking or placing observed by your opponent and they, at any time may make a spurious claim whether or not it's a fair claim or not.
Colin L
Tour Winner
It's fine that you feel it necessary to mark your ball every time you take a preferred lie, but it's equally fine not to. It's obviously sensible to mark if you are going to take your ball away to clean it, as has been suggested but equally sensible to save time and bother not to mark if just bending down and shifting your ball a few inches. In the latter situation the player would know fine that he hadn't moved it 8 inches nearer the hole.
theoneandonly
Blackballed
You're not making any sense and are just making things up to suit your opinion, not the first time to be fair.
Swango1980
Well-known member
Interesting, you ask me to identify something that we have already established. I ask you, and apparently I am the one making things up?
Great comeback.
If you pick up your ball and walk away to your bag to clean it, you have no real defence if somebody claims you have put it back in the wrong position. You cannot claim to have some sort of higher power than enables you to pinpoint where the original spot is. You have not explained how you would identify the relief area if you do not know where the original spot is, as asked by others.
So, basically you are avoiding questions you clearly have no good answer for, and coming back with non-arguments to try and defend your position.
The reason you would be advised to mark it is so that you can guarantee you are able to identify the relief area when you get back. It protects you from somebody questioning the position you played from, or even claiming they are positive you were playing from an incorrect position. It seems a good enough reason to me to mark the ball in this situation.
theoneandonly
Blackballed
You're just making assumptions. Obviously I know the original spot, HINT: (it's where I got the ball from
) and instead of just accepting that either way is fine and within the rules, you go on one of your pseudo intellectual rants.Swango1980
Well-known member
That is fine, as long as you can clarify you have these magical powers of being able to know the exact spot your ball was, then I'm sure that will be a great defence if you need it. Personally, I know I'd find it impossible to do so in most, if not all cases after leaving the area. So, for me I'll mark it to ensure I get the relief area correct.You're just making assumptions. Obviously I know the original spot, HINT: (it's where I got the ball from
HomerJSimpson
Hall of Famer
You're just making assumptions. Obviously I know the original spot, HINT: (it's where I got the ball from
So you get your ball, go to the towel and clean the mud from it and return it to where? You won't have an exact spot to go back without marking it. Anything else is an assumption once you move away to clean the ball
bobmac
Major Champion
It's also a lot easier to spot someone marking a ball 8 inches in front of the ball than it is spotting someone replacing a ball incorrectly when there is no reference point to begin with.
I think in this case the rule is wrong but it doesn't affect me so follow the rules or play safe, I don't care.
Swango1980
Well-known member
Don't bother, this guy will just continually claim he knows the exact spot his ball was, despite leaving the area.
Hard enough on patchy fairways, even harder of the fairways are fairly consistent. Where was the original spot? Just in that area identified by green grass obviously. Nice one.
Swango1980
Well-known member
For me personally, if I left the area and returned with the position not marked, I could potentially be way off the original spot on occasions. Way more than 8 inches, I could be a metre off if the ground was all pretty much the same. I'd understand someone else questioning me, and I wouldn't even be surprised if they took note, and kept a closer eye on me the next time I left the area, by themselves focusing on the original spot and seeing where I put the ball back into play.
Neilds
Assistant Pro
To the OP, your question was answered in the first 2/3 posts - you do not have to mark the ball. However, if you had read this far through the thread to see if anything has changed in the rules since your question has been answered I can only apologise for some of the childish behaviour that has gone on. It seems that some people could cause an argument in an empty room
Old Colner
Club Champion
How far do you guys leave your bags from your ball? I can pick up my ball and clean it without actually having to walk anywhere so can then bend down and replace my ball as I have not moved my feet.
rulie
Head Pro
When applying the Rules, is "close enough ever good enough"? (other than if the original spot is not known, it must be estimated).
When a referee receives a claim, he or she must evaluate the facts of the situation. If those facts are not decisive, the doubt should be resolved in favour of the the player whose ball is involved.
It's a matter of personal integrity - can you live with the result of your actions?
Perhaps there's justification to increasing the permitted placing in LCP to beyond 6 inches?
When a referee receives a claim, he or she must evaluate the facts of the situation. If those facts are not decisive, the doubt should be resolved in favour of the the player whose ball is involved.
It's a matter of personal integrity - can you live with the result of your actions?
Perhaps there's justification to increasing the permitted placing in LCP to beyond 6 inches?
theoneandonly
Blackballed
Yes I wondered where everyone is walking off to.
John Evans 9
Newbie
The OP quoted 30cms !
rosecott
Money List Winner
Perhaps that's just how they do things in New Zealand.
rulie
Head Pro
In North America, the norm is 1 club-length.
rulefan
Tour Winner
That's 12" - twice as much !! But the US go for a clublength; enough to get line of play relief !!
rulie
Head Pro
Line of play relief from what? There aren't many obstacles in the line of play from closely-mown areas (ie, fairways).
