Rules Question ??????

[Ronnoc1980]

Just a thought but now with the growing trend for GPS/Range finders and these units been used more and more in HC comps. If the following scenario was to occur what would the ruling be???

Player A looks at his GPS, player B looks through his scope and turns to player A and asks "what distance do you make it?" is this braking the rules of golf ie asking advice!

 

[Ethan]

No. Distance is not advice. It is considered factual information.

 

[Ronnoc1980]

No. Distance is not advice. It is considered factual information.

So is asking "what club did you hit ?" not factual as well.

 

[bobmac]

No. Distance is not advice. It is considered factual information.

So is asking "what club did you hit ?" not factual as well.

No, that's advice

 

[AuburnWarrior]

No. Distance is not advice. It is considered factual information.

So is asking "what club did you hit ?" not factual as well.

No, that's advice

If both players have tee'd off then it's fine to ask in retrospect.

 

[edgey]

Hi

Decisions on the rules of Golf (2008-2010 so MAY have changed)

8-1/2

Information on distance obtained from another player via a distance measuring device allowed by virtue of a local rule is prohibited and a player obtaining such information is disqualified.

Hope that helps

Edgey

 

[Ronnoc1980]

Glad we have sorted this one lol

 

[chrisd]

Coo, the right answers given and taken without an argument!!

How good is that



chris

 

[Ethan]

Hi

Decisions on the rules of Golf (2008-2010 so MAY have changed)

8-1/2

Information on distance obtained from another player via a distance measuring device allowed by virtue of a local rule is prohibited and a player obtaining such information is disqualified.

Hope that helps

Edgey

You are right. Things have changed.

 

[Ronnoc1980]

Cheers lads

 

[edgey]

Hi

Decisions on the rules of Golf (2008-2010 so MAY have changed)

8-1/2

Information on distance obtained from another player via a distance measuring device allowed by virtue of a local rule is prohibited and a player obtaining such information is disqualified.

Hope that helps

Edgey

You are right. Things have changed.

Taken from the R & A website 5 mins ago

8-1/2 Exchanging Distance Information

Information regarding the distance between two objects is public information and not advice. It is therefore permissible for players to exchange information relating to the distance between two objects. For example, a player may ask anyone, including his opponent, fellow-competitor or either of their caddies, the distance between his ball and the hole.
Except when the Local Rule allowing the use of distance-measuring devices has been adopted (see Note to Rule 14-3), information regarding distance must not have been obtained from an artificial device used during the stipulated round. A player who obtains distance information that he knew was measured by anyone with an artificial device during the player’s round is disqualified under Rule 14-3.

Edgey

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Hi

Decisions on the rules of Golf (2008-2010 so MAY have changed)

8-1/2

Information on distance obtained from another player via a distance measuring device allowed by virtue of a local rule is prohibited and a player obtaining such information is disqualified.

Hope that helps

Edgey

You are right. Things have changed.

Taken from the R & A website 5 mins ago

8-1/2 Exchanging Distance Information

Information regarding the distance between two objects is public information and not advice. It is therefore permissible for players to exchange information relating to the distance between two objects. For example, a player may ask anyone, including his opponent, fellow-competitor or either of their caddies, the distance between his ball and the hole.
Except when the Local Rule allowing the use of distance-measuring devices has been adopted (see Note to Rule 14-3), information regarding distance must not have been obtained from an artificial device used during the stipulated round. A player who obtains distance information that he knew was measured by anyone with an artificial device during the player’s round is disqualified under Rule 14-3.

Edgey

Hmmm, so if someone asks me how far to the pin I'm allowed to pace it from the nearest marker have a guess that the pin is 5 yds back from centre and give them a yardage, which may or may not be right, this is ok as it is considered factual information even though I am actually taking an educated guess and the answer is actually not fact.

Yet if I measure the distance with my laser and give them an exact yardage which is indeed fact, that's advice and is not allowed?

 

[edgey]

Hi

Decisions on the rules of Golf (2008-2010 so MAY have changed)

8-1/2

Information on distance obtained from another player via a distance measuring device allowed by virtue of a local rule is prohibited and a player obtaining such information is disqualified.

Hope that helps

Edgey

You are right. Things have changed.

Taken from the R & A website 5 mins ago

8-1/2 Exchanging Distance Information

Information regarding the distance between two objects is public information and not advice. It is therefore permissible for players to exchange information relating to the distance between two objects. For example, a player may ask anyone, including his opponent, fellow-competitor or either of their caddies, the distance between his ball and the hole.
Except when the Local Rule allowing the use of distance-measuring devices has been adopted (see Note to Rule 14-3), information regarding distance must not have been obtained from an artificial device used during the stipulated round. A player who obtains distance information that he knew was measured by anyone with an artificial device during the player’s round is disqualified under Rule 14-3.

Edgey

Hmmm, so if someone asks me how far to the pin I'm allowed to pace it from the nearest marker have a guess that the pin is 5 yds back from centre and give them a yardage, which may or may not be right, this is ok as it is considered factual information even though I am actually taking an educated guess and the answer is actually not fact.

Yet if I measure the distance with my laser and give them an exact yardage which is indeed fact, that's advice and is not allowed?

Correct

Edgey

 

[Fyldewhite]

Hi

Decisions on the rules of Golf (2008-2010 so MAY have changed)

8-1/2

Information on distance obtained from another player via a distance measuring device allowed by virtue of a local rule is prohibited and a player obtaining such information is disqualified.

Hope that helps

Edgey

You are right. Things have changed.

Taken from the R & A website 5 mins ago

8-1/2 Exchanging Distance Information

Information regarding the distance between two objects is public information and not advice. It is therefore permissible for players to exchange information relating to the distance between two objects. For example, a player may ask anyone, including his opponent, fellow-competitor or either of their caddies, the distance between his ball and the hole.
Except when the Local Rule allowing the use of distance-measuring devices has been adopted (see Note to Rule 14-3), information regarding distance must not have been obtained from an artificial device used during the stipulated round. A player who obtains distance information that he knew was measured by anyone with an artificial device during the player’s round is disqualified under Rule 14-3.

Edgey

Hmmm, so if someone asks me how far to the pin I'm allowed to pace it from the nearest marker have a guess that the pin is 5 yds back from centre and give them a yardage, which may or may not be right, this is ok as it is considered factual information even though I am actually taking an educated guess and the answer is actually not fact.

Yet if I measure the distance with my laser and give them an exact yardage which is indeed fact, that's advice and is not allowed?

Correct

Edgey

Not so fast......

I couldn't make head nor tails of this for a while as it seems that most players I know who play in a group where one player has a skycaddie have probably been breaking the rules for ages.....as well as simply going against common sense.

Read it carefully though. It says that "Except when the Local Rule allowing the use of distance-measuring devices has been adopted (see Note to Rule 14-3)" at the begining of the sentence. This means that the rest of the rule applies to where the local rule is not adopted.

This makes perfect sense. In simple terms it's saying that if skycaddies are not allowed and player A asks player B the distance and player B replies 155 to the pin, then if player A knew it was from a skycaddie then he's disqualified even though he didn;t carry or use the distance measuring device himself.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Golf really does have some stupid rules doesn't it

 

[Leftie]

Golf really does have some stupid rules doesn't it

Not really, imo. But it does highlight the fact that a lot of people are unable to understand what they read

 

[edgey]

Hi

Decisions on the rules of Golf (2008-2010 so MAY have changed)

8-1/2

Information on distance obtained from another player via a distance measuring device allowed by virtue of a local rule is prohibited and a player obtaining such information is disqualified.

Hope that helps

Edgey

You are right. Things have changed.

Taken from the R & A website 5 mins ago

8-1/2 Exchanging Distance Information

Information regarding the distance between two objects is public information and not advice. It is therefore permissible for players to exchange information relating to the distance between two objects. For example, a player may ask anyone, including his opponent, fellow-competitor or either of their caddies, the distance between his ball and the hole.
Except when the Local Rule allowing the use of distance-measuring devices has been adopted (see Note to Rule 14-3), information regarding distance must not have been obtained from an artificial device used during the stipulated round. A player who obtains distance information that he knew was measured by anyone with an artificial device during the player’s round is disqualified under Rule 14-3.

Edgey

Hmmm, so if someone asks me how far to the pin I'm allowed to pace it from the nearest marker have a guess that the pin is 5 yds back from centre and give them a yardage, which may or may not be right, this is ok as it is considered factual information even though I am actually taking an educated guess and the answer is actually not fact.

Yet if I measure the distance with my laser and give them an exact yardage which is indeed fact, that's advice and is not allowed?

Correct

Edgey

Not so fast......

I couldn't make head nor tails of this for a while as it seems that most players I know who play in a group where one player has a skycaddie have probably been breaking the rules for ages.....as well as simply going against common sense.

Read it carefully though. It says that "Except when the Local Rule allowing the use of distance-measuring devices has been adopted (see Note to Rule 14-3)" at the begining of the sentence. This means that the rest of the rule applies to where the local rule is not adopted.

This makes perfect sense. In simple terms it's saying that if skycaddies are not allowed and player A asks player B the distance and player B replies 155 to the pin, then if player A knew it was from a skycaddie then he's disqualified even though he didn;t carry or use the distance measuring device himself.

If the local rule is not adopted then GPS/Laser is not allowed and therefore you cannot obtain on course information.

If the local rule allowing distance measuring devices is adopted you cannot obtain yardage information from anyone else if it has been obtained via that GPS/Laser on the course during the round.

In a nutshell if your playing partners are using GPS/Laser to obtain yardage during a competiton you cannot ask them to share it or accept that information or you will be subject to D/Q.

Simple and nothing to be confused about

Edgey

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Golf really does have some stupid rules doesn't it

Not really, imo. But it does highlight the fact that a lot of people are unable to understand what they read

I understood it perfectly well thanks. The rule says I can give someone a yardage if I pace it out from an on course marker but if I use my laser they get disqualified if they knew I used my laser. Where's the logic in that?

Another thought, what happens if I walk onto the tee measure the shot and tell everyone it's 164yds. They all see me measure it and they have now all gained information I measured with a laser - are they all disqualified?

 

[SammmeBee]

If the local rule allowing distance measuring devices is adopted you cannot obtain yardage information from anyone else if it has been obtained via that GPS/Laser on the course during the round.

In a nutshell if your playing partners are using GPS/Laser to obtain yardage during a competiton you cannot ask them to share it or accept that information or you will be subject to D/Q.

No - you are completely wrong. You need to read the bit about the local rule as Leftie and the man from Blackpool have already pointed out......

 

[Fyldewhite]

In a nutshell if your playing partners are using GPS/Laser to obtain yardage during a competiton you cannot ask them to share it or accept that information or you will be subject to D/Q.

Simple and nothing to be confused about

Edgey

Sorry, but I think your interpretation of this is wrong.

As above, read the decision carefully. Perhaps it's badly worded but turning it around a bit, the stuff about obtaining information and being DQ'd applies in all situations EXCEPT where the local rule is in operation. So..... if it is in oeration it doesn't apply.

Common sense really as I doubt anyone has never asked their mate with a skycaddie for a yardage. I did it at least 3 times today.