Rugby World Cup Question

[AyrHead]

Slight amendment to teh original question ...

which home based country that has won the world cup once and reached the final twice would you like to be a successful as ... ?

HA HA - this sums up exactly why 99% of the other Home Nation Supporters together with the rest of the world never want to see the English winning - the other 1% being mentally deranged.

If/when Scots go out, i hope the Irish defy the odds and go all the way. If anything it would hopefully shut up those tedious impartial English commentators/supporters from drivelling on about the England World Cup winning side - who by the way must have been the most boring,anti-rugby side ever to win it!!!

 

[surefire]

Standard bitterness!

Fortunately, rugby, just like golf, only has numbers on the scoreboard, no pictures.

You carry on with your exciting, pretty rugby, and impressive flop shots, I'll take the boring, ugly winning score every time.

 

[User20205]

HA HA - this sums up exactly why 99% of the other Home Nation Supporters together with the rest of the world never want to see the English winning - the other 1% being mentally deranged.

If/when Scots go out, i hope the Irish defy the odds and go all the way. If anything it would hopefully shut up those tedious impartial English commentators/supporters from drivelling on about the England World Cup winning side - who by the way must have been the most boring,anti-rugby side ever to win it!!!

sorry mate but that is nonsense. the 2003 team weren't anti rugby just pragmatic, for 5 years prior to that they had played the best rugby in the six nations. It's also a bit rich coming from a scottish supporter. Your whole rugby ethos is pray for wind/rain & kick it in the air!

The reason that the Scots/Welsh/Irish won't support England is the famous Celtic chip (on their collective shoulders). Any one but England sums that up. There is a habit of stereotyping English Rugby because it suits that sentiment. I do admit Brian Moore adds weight to the anti English argument, but do you really think if Wales had won the RWC they would ever shut up about it. (and why should they)

When England go out, I'll support South Africa/France/Ireland purely for personal attachment reasons

 

[Deleted member 1418]

...the England World Cup winning side - who by the way must have been the most boring,anti-rugby side ever to win it!!!

sorry mate but that is nonsense. the 2003 team weren't anti rugby just pragmatic, for 5 years prior to that they had played the best rugby in the six nations.

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The English 2003 Grand Slam / World Cup winning squad was pretty exceptional in that they were arguably the best mentally and physically prepared side that has played the game. The Grand Slam and the tour to Australia / NZ showed that they could play with flair, ambition and score tries when the conditions were right (Dublin GS decider; test in Melbourne against the Aussies). The test in Wellington (I think) when both Dayglo and Backie were in the bin at the same time and the pack were the equal of the All Blacks showed their mental and physical resilience under intense pressure in awful conditions.

Whilst the other Home Nations had players who were better than some of their English counterparts - ie. Wood, BOD, Shane Williams to name three - as a collective, that England squad were superior to everyone, with geniunely world class players. Sir Cliffy Woodentop and the coaching staff had that side peaking to perfection in time for the World Cup.

 

[AyrHead]

...the England World Cup winning side - who by the way must have been the most boring,anti-rugby side ever to win it!!!

sorry mate but that is nonsense. the 2003 team weren't anti rugby just pragmatic, for 5 years prior to that they had played the best rugby in the six nations.

The English 2003 Grand Slam / World Cup winning squad was pretty exceptional in that they were arguably the best mentally and physically prepared side that has played the game. The Grand Slam and the tour to Australia / NZ showed that they could play with flair, ambition and score tries when the conditions were right (Dublin GS decider; test in Melbourne against the Aussies). The test in Wellington (I think) when both Dayglo and Backie were in the bin at the same time and the pack were the equal of the All Blacks showed their mental and physical resilience under intense pressure in awful conditions.

Whilst the other Home Nations had players who were better than some of their English counterparts - ie. Wood, BOD, Shane Williams to name three - as a collective, that England squad were superior to everyone, with geniunely world class players. Sir Cliffy Woodentop and the coaching staff had that side peaking to perfection in time for the World Cup.

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English weren't anti rugby just pragmatic, i.e kept the ball with the pack all the way up the field & hope for a penalty or drop goal oppurtunity, at all costs didn't ship the ball out to the backs - therefore boring cynical rugby. The Italians have been modelling their game on this for years - at least they show a bit of flair (albeit pretty rarely) They proved they had the best pack in the competition and that was it - i don't disagree that they played some attractive stuff in the 5 nations but they played the least entertaining rugby out of the top nations in the that World Cup by a long shot - still to this day can't believe they won - luckily it'll be many a year (hopefully not in my lifetime)that they win again!!!

 

[AyrHead]

Standard bitterness!

Fortunately, rugby, just like golf, only has numbers on the scoreboard, no pictures.

You carry on with your exciting, pretty rugby, and impressive flop shots, I'll take the boring, ugly winning score every time.

What an exciting life you must lead - is your favourite colour grey by any chance?

 

[User20205]

luckily it'll be this a year .... that they win again!!!

just tidied that up for you. (it's OK to admit that you are a closet England supporter and wish you had been born south of the border)

 

[AyrHead]

luckily it'll be this a year .... that they win again!!!

just tidied that up for you. (it's OK to admit that you are a closet England supporter and wish you had been born south of the border)

In an honest reply i'd rather have been born in Afghanistan, Iran, Libya, Haiti, Borneo, North Korea to name but a few.
The slums of Calcutta, Chernyoble, Auschwitz would be an equally attractive choice over Eng... sorry just can't bring myself to mention it!!

 

[surefire]

Standard bitterness!

Fortunately, rugby, just like golf, only has numbers on the scoreboard, no pictures.

You carry on with your exciting, pretty rugby, and impressive flop shots, I'll take the boring, ugly winning score every time.

What an exciting life you must lead - is your favourite colour grey by any chance?

Spoken like a true loser!

Next you'll be telling me, "It's not the winning, but the taking part that counts"!

 

[surefire]

Interesting observation in this thread.

When I see someone else has something that I do not, I strive to make myself better to get that something.

Seems when most others are in the same situation, they belittle what the other person has, and wish for the other person to lose what they have.

When you see someone say who earns more than you, do you work to improve what you can earn, or wish for some misfortune to cause the high earner to lose every penny he has, so he can suffer like everyone else?

 

[AyrHead]

Standard bitterness!

Fortunately, rugby, just like golf, only has numbers on the scoreboard, no pictures.

You carry on with your exciting, pretty rugby, and impressive flop shots, I'll take the boring, ugly winning score every time.

What an exciting life you must lead - is your favourite colour grey by any chance?

Spoken like a true loser!

Next you'll be telling me, "It's not the winning, but the taking part that counts"!

What in regard to supporting a team or on a personal level?
Personally like most people i like to win but i'd much rather win in style rather than at all costs which appears to be your ethos - i get little satisfaction from winning a game of golf if i played crap but my opponent was even worse. If a win at all costs is your thing - you must be even more boring and sadder than i first thought!

 

[surefire]

What about a debate on the rugby?

Would you resort to tasteless references to concentration camps and warzones, to win at any cost?

 

[AyrHead]

Sorry don't get what a bit of banter with theROd regarding where you're born has got to do with winning at all cost. Lighten up !

 

[thegogg]

Why oh why did someone have mention Woodward in to this post???? How I detest that man for what he did to the 2005 lions in NZ - pure cronyism!

How could he ever justify playing over the hill back row forwards, Dallaglio, Back and Hill whilst leaving the best flanker in the world at the time (Martin Williams) on the bench for all but 2 minutes of the last test.

Quote - The 44-man tour squad was announced on 11 April 2005, with 20 Englishmen, eleven Irishmen, ten Welshmen and three Scots selected. Three further Englishmen were selected subject to them proving their fitness. Many criticised this distribution as England had performed poorly in the 2004 and 2005 Six Nations Championship and Wales had won the 2005 Grand Slam. There was also concern that the squad included English players who had retired from international rugby, were returning from injury

 

[SS2]

When I see someone else has something that I do not, I strive to make myself better to get that something.

Me too.

I played with Ayrhead recently and he had a chippper/jigger club thing, a pitch mark repairer that is also an MP3 player/Clock and a new box of 12 (yes, twelve) pink noodle balls.

I am now committed to a course of self-improvement until I can strive to attain such items.

 

[AyrHead]

Pink Noodles

 

[User20205]

What about a debate on the rugby?

Would you resort to tasteless references to concentration camps and warzones, to win at any cost?

it's only a bit of banter, despite the fact half of England was like a war zone recently.

Going back to the topic, I agree with the point about Woodward, one trick pony who was lucky with his player pool. He ruined the 2005 Lions tour, luckily 09 got the lions spirit back.

I do find all this anti english sentiment a bit tiresome. Every Scottish/Welshman I've ever known has been a frustrated Englishman. They just become bitter when they realise they can't carry off a Barbour Jacket and a pair of mustard cords !!

 

[SS2]

Every Scottish/Welshman ...become bitter when they realise they can't carry off a Barbour Jacket and a pair of mustard cords !!

This quote from our Learned English Friend is very true in all respects but one. Substitute the word "delighted" for "bitter".

 

[sev112]

English weren't anti rugby just pragmatic, i.e kept the ball with the pack all the way up the field & hope for a penalty or drop goal oppurtunity,

ha ha ha ha ha .... Chris Paterson ...
(actually who i think is a good player )

... but you get what i mean

Joel Stransky, Morne Steyn, - 2 other drop goallers who won world cups.

 

[sev112]

What an exciting life you must lead - is your favourite colour grey by any chance?

Aha - the colour of the previous Scottish jersey