And how many par putts did Spieth make over the weekend? Something McIlroy couldn't do
Rory's Putting
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And how many par putts did Spieth make over the weekend? Something McIlroy couldn't do
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Because the approach left him with a tricky up and down, and couldn't knock the ball close enough with a pitch or chip?
Carpfather1
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Drive for show (rory)putt for dough (spieth) spieth wins championships on his putting proves you don't have to have the best long game to win putting saves him silly amounts of strokes .
What do you mean. Time and again over the weekend McIlroy couldn't make par putts where Spieth could. Both had to scramble a lot and so it was simply Spieth's ability to hole out that had him in the lead and kept him in touch until the end
MarkE
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He should go back to his old style, ditch the nike putter and get his Scotty back. Simple.:thup:
kid2
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Any player regardless of ability will always struggle when changing methods.
Rory isn't going to miraculously turn into Speith overnight by going left hand low.
Obviously he was having issues with the conventional grip whether they were technique or confidence related it doesn't really matter. At the end of the day he can't get the thing in the hole when he needs it most.
Hell Westwood finished above him and his putting is as bad if not worse.
Macilroy G.I.R. 46/72
Speith G.I.R 43/72
Westwood G.I.R 51/72
Macilroy in my opinion will never be as good a putter as woods or speith because mentally he's not as confident.
He lacks the same credentials that Westwood lacks on the greens.
Rory isn't going to miraculously turn into Speith overnight by going left hand low.
Obviously he was having issues with the conventional grip whether they were technique or confidence related it doesn't really matter. At the end of the day he can't get the thing in the hole when he needs it most.
Hell Westwood finished above him and his putting is as bad if not worse.
Macilroy G.I.R. 46/72
Speith G.I.R 43/72
Westwood G.I.R 51/72
Macilroy in my opinion will never be as good a putter as woods or speith because mentally he's not as confident.
He lacks the same credentials that Westwood lacks on the greens.
seochris
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Speith averaged 28 putts a round and McIlroy was 30....so over the 4 days that 8 shots. Cant give away that many to Speith or anybody else for that matter.
I think his change came a bit too late....he needs to stick with the current grip for at least six months...it probably feels a little strange right nw and his confidence is shot. Augusta is not the place to try a newish grip. If after 6 months his stats have not improved then I think he should go back to right hand low.
What i noticed about his technique is that with the right hand low he used to sort of 'push' the club towards the hole at the end of the stroke, thus keeping the blade square. With the left hand low does not seem to be doing that. I'm sure he is aware of all the stats and no one knows better than him what he should do.
I think his change came a bit too late....he needs to stick with the current grip for at least six months...it probably feels a little strange right nw and his confidence is shot. Augusta is not the place to try a newish grip. If after 6 months his stats have not improved then I think he should go back to right hand low.
What i noticed about his technique is that with the right hand low he used to sort of 'push' the club towards the hole at the end of the stroke, thus keeping the blade square. With the left hand low does not seem to be doing that. I'm sure he is aware of all the stats and no one knows better than him what he should do.
sawtooth
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His driving and iron play has been so good that it hides a multitude of sins on the green IMO.
If you present yourself with so many eagle and birdie chances you are going to convert a fair few.
Val
Ryder Cup Winner
If only it was the simple, he was a streaky putter with a traditional grip and a Scotty.
WillC
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I just think at the end of his career, and Spieth's career, Jordan Spieth will have more majors than Rory Mcilroy.
Rory will win more major(s), but his putting will almost certainly prevent him from being a serial winner, whereas I expect Spieth to reach at least 8-9 majors by the time he's done.
Damning verdict, but it comes down to converting the chances in majors.
Rory will win more major(s), but his putting will almost certainly prevent him from being a serial winner, whereas I expect Spieth to reach at least 8-9 majors by the time he's done.
Damning verdict, but it comes down to converting the chances in majors.
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Number of putts isn't a great stat, it may just be that Spieth missed more greens and got up & down for par, whereas McIlroy hit the greens and 2 putted for par. The other week I had only taken 4 putts over the first 4 holes, but I was still 1 over par, I just chipped well. Then on the back nine I 3 putted 3 of the first 4 greens, a I sorted out my long game.
What were their individual stats for putts per green in regulation?
What were their individual strokes gained putting figures?
What areas were each of them best and worst with regards putting (short range, mid range or long range)?
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Just a couple of points which give an idea of the two players relative virtues and short comings:
Strokes gained putting - RM 95th, JS 20th
Scrambling - RM 69th, JS 46th
Greens in reg - RM 43rd, JS 166th
I'm no statistician, mathematician or golf pro, but my interpretation from that is that Rory is quite a way behind in the short game stakes, but Jordan is a long way behind on the long game.
As some of the commentators said over the weekend, Spieth put a huge amount of pressure on his short game, and it may not always hold up.
Rory can play majestic long game shots, but seems to make big mistakes when his long games goes awry, thus getting U&D seems harder, but generally hits more greens and gives himself more opportunities.
I reckon that Rory's A game is the better of the two by a small margin, but Spieth's B game is generally miles better than Rory's B game.
Strokes gained putting - RM 95th, JS 20th
Scrambling - RM 69th, JS 46th
Greens in reg - RM 43rd, JS 166th
I'm no statistician, mathematician or golf pro, but my interpretation from that is that Rory is quite a way behind in the short game stakes, but Jordan is a long way behind on the long game.
As some of the commentators said over the weekend, Spieth put a huge amount of pressure on his short game, and it may not always hold up.
Rory can play majestic long game shots, but seems to make big mistakes when his long games goes awry, thus getting U&D seems harder, but generally hits more greens and gives himself more opportunities.
I reckon that Rory's A game is the better of the two by a small margin, but Spieth's B game is generally miles better than Rory's B game.
seochris
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WillC
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This is it for me. Rory on his day possibly beats Spieth. But those days are few and far between, considering how many putts Spieth makes even when not on his best game, versus that of Rory.
seochris
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TerryA
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I think he should go back to his standarrd grip. When he first came on to the scene his putting was as good as anyone's. Look at what happened to Paddy Harrington when he meddled with his swing!
MarkE
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It would be a start. He was a hell of alot more impressive with his scotty and traditional grip. Stop the tinkering and get on with it.
FairwayDodger
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I don't think it's technique or his putter. It's a mental issue - belief and confidence - and the only way he's going to change that is by holing more putts.
A vicious, or virtuous circle depending.....
A vicious, or virtuous circle depending.....
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Think that's about right - once he nails a few putts he can go on a roll - seen it before within in the majors especially.
