Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
So is there any reason to roll back equipment 
Rolling back the pro game
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Lucifer MorningStar
Well-known member
Absolutely none in my opinion..So is there any reason to roll back equipment
wjemather
Well-known member
The point is, they are less likely to be looking for balls after hitting driver because it's not a far off target. Take a look at some typical dispersion cones and it's indisputable - the further the ball goes the wider the dispersion.
Since golfers do not lose their enjoyment when playing in shorter hitting weather conditions, the argument that they will lose it due to having to use a very slightly shorter golf ball simply doesn't hold water. Further, history tells us that it didn't happen when we adopted the larger 1.68" US ball, which had a much larger impact on distance than this 'rollback' will.
One final point of note, as I've seen it mentioned several times in this discussion - rollback is not about trying to restrict scoring.
Lucifer MorningStar
Well-known member
What you say is indisputable I totally understand short short less dispersion, I still don't agree this speeds up play. Less greens hit = more shots that is evident in all our games I know when I miss greens i can be several shorts worse over the course of a round do that for 4 ball and there's quite a few minutes added. I genuinely don't agree or believe rolling the ball back speeds up play.
Plus this whole thread was started specifically about restricting scoring so roll back is being suggested as a means for exactly that.. I've not really got anything else to add so i'll sit back and watch the rest unfold..
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Average winning score on the DPWT this year is 13.9 under par...including the Majors.So is there any reason to roll back equipment
Not exactly burning it up, in Pro terms, every week....
So.........not really.
Lucifer MorningStar
Well-known member
And yet the thread is all about scoring because of the distances! Personal opinion it's not less interesting and it's getting better.
OR watch the Ladies golf less distance more shot making, I for one watch a lot of it as I enjoy the different style of golf on that note........
pendodave
Tour Rookie
It's not scoring that makes me think that a rollback would be helpful, it's the one dimensional game that modern equipment delivers. drive, wedge, putt - very little else.
It's entirely possible to keep scores low even in this dumb down scenario. We am see if every week - silly pin placements, greens that are stupidly fast, thick rough that eliminates all skill and nuance.
What I'd like to see is equipment rolled back so that it isn't possible to hit a ball all over the face and get a decent result. And so long irons as well as short ones are hit into greens. I don't care about the score, I just want to see a more interesting game that showcases the complete variety of skills that pros possess, and identifies the best.
I'm not holding my breath
It's entirely possible to keep scores low even in this dumb down scenario. We am see if every week - silly pin placements, greens that are stupidly fast, thick rough that eliminates all skill and nuance.
What I'd like to see is equipment rolled back so that it isn't possible to hit a ball all over the face and get a decent result. And so long irons as well as short ones are hit into greens. I don't care about the score, I just want to see a more interesting game that showcases the complete variety of skills that pros possess, and identifies the best.
I'm not holding my breath
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
It's not scoring that makes me think that a rollback would be helpful, it's the one dimensional game that modern equipment delivers. drive, wedge, putt - very little else.
It's entirely possible to keep scores low even in this dumb down scenario. We am see if every week - silly pin placements, greens that are stupidly fast, thick rough that eliminates all skill and nuance.
What I'd like to see is equipment rolled back so that it isn't possible to hit a ball all over the face and get a decent result. And so long irons as well as short ones are hit into greens. I don't care about the score, I just want to see a more interesting game that showcases the complete variety of skills that pros possess, and identifies the best.
I'm not holding my breath
I’m guessing we are talking about the professional game
You don’t see many club golfers just going drive , wedge , putt
It’s more like
Driver , chip out , long iron , chip , putt putt putt
Backache
Assistant Pro
Mmm I suspect I'm not alone amongst mid-high handicap amateur golfers in not even posessing a long iron.
AussieKB
Well-known member
I know people don't like it, but why not introduce a PRO ball.....
They turn up at Augusta and are given a dozen balls for each round, that are rolled back to the 60's-70's that if you mishit then it does slice or hook heaps.
Bit like turning up at Wimbledon and saying no.....I brought my own Tennis Balls that I will use.....
They turn up at Augusta and are given a dozen balls for each round, that are rolled back to the 60's-70's that if you mishit then it does slice or hook heaps.
Bit like turning up at Wimbledon and saying no.....I brought my own Tennis Balls that I will use.....
Mel Smooth
Hacker
We'll look back in rollback in 10 years time and realise what a complete and utter waste of time it was.
Everything evolves, including the way we play golf - courses that are hundred+ years old are obviously going to be playing differently through the decades.
Dumbest idea I've seen introduced in all the years I've been playing.
Everything evolves, including the way we play golf - courses that are hundred+ years old are obviously going to be playing differently through the decades.
Dumbest idea I've seen introduced in all the years I've been playing.
rksquire
Head Pro
I personally wouldn't change anything. I want to see some players hit 350+, I like watching players in full control of their irons, short game wizardry and whilst not my favorite aspect, unless greens are lightning fast, appreciate that being able to putt great is a skill that not all possess.
Understand the Old Course is changing, I'm okay with that too as long as it retains its character - standing still in the current world means you get left behind.
Understand the Old Course is changing, I'm okay with that too as long as it retains its character - standing still in the current world means you get left behind.
cleveland52
Active member
If the rollback is not about scoring, then why do they care how far a touring pro hits the ball? Isn't the object of the game to have the lowest score?
nickjdavis
Head Pro
Why as many as a dozen?I know people don't like it, but why not introduce a PRO ball.....
They turn up at Augusta and are given a dozen balls for each round, that are rolled back to the 60's-70's that if you mishit then it does slice or hook heaps.
Bit like turning up at Wimbledon and saying no.....I brought my own Tennis Balls that I will use.....
Give them two balls for each round and watch them sweat.
wjemather
Well-known member
The distance the ball travels matters because the designed and natural challenges of many courses have been obsoleted by the distance gains afforded by equipment, primarily the ball, and the balance of skills required to achieve the lowest scores has been skewed - and the spectacle is much less interesting.
Extending courses is not always an option, but it's a largely futile exercise anyway and unsustainable in terms of land availability, maintenance costs, environmental impact, etc.
While building new tees 30+ yards further back (as has happened at many championship courses) does bring/keep some of the challenges back into play from the tee, it does nothing to preserve/restore the challenges of subsequent shots (relocating greens is rarely considered, even if it were possible).
Tricking up courses (narrow fairways, long rough, etc.), as some have advocated, can restrict scoring but is either useless or counter-productive in all other aspects.
Backache
Assistant Pro
Golf has evolved.
If people wish to play it with old equipment let them.
The main problem for most people is not hitting the ball as far as they would wish.
The attempts by the authorites to roll back the ball will have little affect on the pro game but make a lot of balls that are owned obsolete costing the consumer extra money.
If people wish to play it with old equipment let them.
The main problem for most people is not hitting the ball as far as they would wish.
The attempts by the authorites to roll back the ball will have little affect on the pro game but make a lot of balls that are owned obsolete costing the consumer extra money.
wjemather
Well-known member
They should work on improving their strength, flexibility and technique rather than buying into the marketing hype of manufacturers.
Most players use a golf ball that is not affected by the impending 'rollback', and amateurs will have plenty of time to use up their stock of soon to be non-conforming balls.
Backache
Assistant Pro
I sincerely hope the remarks about working on flexibility and technique are not what the authorities think it is highly patronising to older golfers who derive benefit from modern equipment and have less space for improvement on other factors.
As far as I'm aware no list has been issued by the authorities to inform the public which balls will be conforming out of the current models or which balls they will not be able to use.
But there again this does not surprise, the sneering high handed attitude of the authorites to the ordinary club golfer and lack of engagement is appalling.
Mel Smooth
Hacker
Think about it.
There are millions of balls in circulation that won’t be compliant.
There will be a demand for illegal balls that ‘appear’ legal.
Genuinely can’t wait for the threads on here accusing people of cheating by playing illegitimate golf balls.
There are millions of balls in circulation that won’t be compliant.
There will be a demand for illegal balls that ‘appear’ legal.
Genuinely can’t wait for the threads on here accusing people of cheating by playing illegitimate golf balls.
