Roll Up Group Handicaps

[wjemather]

Well it does, the GP results are looked at and if they are better than the Competition results players are denied entry . This is what has been said on numerous occasions.

It is better described as denial of entry being based on the competition scores following a review triggered by the number of GP scores.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

It is better described as denial of entry being based on the competition scores following a review triggered by the number of GP scores.

Do you mean it better described for you

It’s entry denied by the GP scores enter

It’s clearly the governing bodies not trusting GP scores

Yet they want more entered

It’s very much typical of EG and their disconnect form clubs

 

[wjemather]

Do you mean it better described for you
It’s entry denied by the GP scores enter
It’s clearly the governing bodies not trusting GP scores
Yet they want more entered
It’s very much typical of EG and their disconnect form clubs

No.
Not only gp; and the decision is based more on the comp scores.
It's the players (and to a lesser extent their handicap committees) that aren't being trusted.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

If the last few pages are any indication no point me wading through the last week or so to get some ideas as the usual suspects have transcended the thread into a point scoring match

Anyone know the discerning points from all the arguing?

 

[Imurg]

To me it sounds like an awful lot of people need to find themselves another activity because this one is causing them massive stress........

 

[Slab]

If the last few pages are any indication no point me wading through the last week or so to get some ideas as the usual suspects have transcended the thread into a point scoring match

Anyone know the discerning points from all the arguing?

Here you go...

• WHS is good/bad
• England golf are good/bad
• Clubs and their committees are good/bad
• Player behaviour is good/bad
• GP scores are good/bad

Hope that helps

 

[LincolnShep]

Here you go...

• WHS is good/bad
• England golf are good/bad
• Clubs and their committees are good/bad
• Player behaviour is good/bad
• GP scores are good/bad

Hope that helps

An excellent summary.

 

[Orikoru]

If the last few pages are any indication no point me wading through the last week or so to get some ideas as the usual suspects have transcended the thread into a point scoring match

Anyone know the discerning points from all the arguing?

To answer your original question, it looks like the best way to do it is indeed to administer 3/2/1 point reductions to the previous week's 1st/2nd/3rd placed players. That way you can tell your secretary that nobody is playing off the wrong handicap.

The rest of the topic after that was just waffle about WHS, England Golf trying to dictate how people play their informal golf, whether every round should count for handicap or not, and so on and so forth.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

To answer your original question, it looks like the best way to do it is indeed to administer 3/2/1 point reductions to the previous week's 1st/2nd/3rd placed players. That way you can tell your secretary that nobody is playing off the wrong handicap.

The rest of the topic after that was just waffle about WHS, England Golf trying to dictate how people play their informal golf, whether every round should count for handicap or not, and so on and so forth.

Or mainly just do what you want in your social golf - club and eg etc can’t really do a thing to stop you using any HC system you want

 

[Dunesman]

To answer your original question, it looks like the best way to do it is indeed to administer 3/2/1 point reductions to the previous week's 1st/2nd/3rd placed players. That way you can tell your secretary that nobody is playing off the wrong handicap.

EG sees that as playing off the wrong handicap though.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

To answer your original question, it looks like the best way to do it is indeed to administer 3/2/1 point reductions to the previous week's 1st/2nd/3rd placed players. That way you can tell your secretary that nobody is playing off the wrong handicap.

The rest of the topic after that was just waffle about WHS, England Golf trying to dictate how people play their informal golf, whether every round should count for handicap or not, and so on and so forth.

That was exactly what we were told we couldn't do as it was viewed as 2 handicaps

 

[Arthur Wedge]

EG sees that as playing off the wrong handicap though.

That’s a shame for EG , they wouldn’t really know what’s happening anyway

 

[Orikoru]

Or mainly just do what you want in your social golf - club and eg etc can’t really do a thing to stop you using any HC system you want

It was more to get the secretary off his back and satisfied given that the end result is exactly the same.

 

[Orikoru]

That was exactly what we were told we couldn't do as it was viewed as 2 handicaps

How is it? They are playing off their normal handicap for the entire round. You just mentally deduct 3 points off the previous winner when you do the results / presentation at the end.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

It was more to get the secretary off his back and satisfied given that the end result is exactly the same.

The secretary can make the request - they can say , ok thank you and then carry on any way they see fit

 

[D-S]

The secretary can make the request - they can say , ok thank you and then carry on any way they see fit

Officially no.
In reality yes.
Officially the request needs to be followed up by education, then, if met with push back, persuasion, then, if no progress is made, sanctions, eventually, if the situation doesn’t change, with withdrawal of handicaps.
In reality, it is more than likely the request is made, then ignored and dependent on the diligence of the secretary, two hoots are given or not.

 

[Orikoru]

The secretary can make the request - they can say , ok thank you and then carry on any way they see fit

Essentially is what I'm saying too but without the stomping of feet. Just make a minor change to appease them, which doesn't really change anything at all, then everybody's happy.

 

[wjemather]

Officially no.
In reality yes.
Officially the request needs to be followed up by education, then, if met with push back, persuasion, then, if no progress is made, sanctions, eventually, if the situation doesn’t change, with withdrawal of handicaps.
In reality, it is more than likely the request is made, then ignored and dependent on the diligence of the secretary, two hoots are given or not.

As always, the end result is dependent on competent and effective communication and education by a knowledgeable handicap committee.

If done by someone who doesn't agree with it (or is so weak they would rather avoid the issue than do their job properly) and ends by telling them to do whatever they want, then yes, what you are saying would be the likely result.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Officially no.
In reality yes.
Officially the request needs to be followed up by education, then, if met with push back, persuasion, then, if no progress is made, sanctions, eventually, if the situation doesn’t change, with withdrawal of handicaps.
In reality, it is more than likely the request is made, then ignored and dependent on the diligence of the secretary, two hoots are given or not.

There will be not one single club imo that will withdraw anyone’s handicap based on that person playing social golf with a different swindle HC

What someone does out there when they are playing social golf not organised by the club - has really nothing to do with anyone really providing they are treating the course with respect etc

They can play to whatever rules they want

Essentially is what I'm saying too but without the stomping of feet. Just make a minor change to appease them, which doesn't really change anything at all, then everybody's happy.

Just don’t make any changes tbh - just carry on , as you were

 

[D-S]

As always, the end result is dependent on competent and effective communication and education by a knowledgeable handicap committee.

If done by someone who doesn't agree with it (or is so weak they would rather avoid the issue than do their job properly) and ends by telling them to do whatever they want, then yes, what you are saying would be the likely result.

I will be fascinated to check in a few months whether there are some players in the County with withdrawn handicaps.
If not, either every single roll up has been properly has fallen in line any every parallel system is a thing of the past and not a single one exists any more or it hasn’t been pushed by committees.