2blue
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Well someone certainly needs to take charge with all these fiddles going on!!
Roll Up Group Handicaps
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Tennis?
Backache
Assistant Pro
I'm not a member of a tennis club, but my sister who is a very keen player has no restrictions placed on her social tennis.
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But as she’s better than me a tennis then I need a head start!
rulefan
Tour Winner
There handicaps in tennis but they don't really work. It depends almost entirely on who can keep the ball in play.
Backache
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And in a formal club competition you could have one.
If you were playing each other, you could decide between you what it would be.
The LTA wouldn't even try and tell you what you should do playing privately.
Whereditgo
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I too have played with quite number of Americans and would agree that generally their handicaps are a lot lower than their ability. My brother and I play an annual 4BBB matchplay against a couple of guys and we all play off scratch, otherwise they would be at a huge disadvantage with their handicaps being 6 to 8 strokes lower than ours.
Even if EG come out with guidance on fully moving to the US system, I can still see there being uproar here. We would probably be given a 3ft limit on gimmes, or a time after which breakfast balls are not allowed etc. But while EG might have issues with compliance with the rules at the moment, it is golfers themselves who will object to that kind of laissez faire attitude to the rules of golf.
I think someone here mentioned earlier that they were at one of the EG seminars where US handicaps were raised. What was the response ? They are aware of it as we are, and that the primary goal of WHS has failed. They must have something in the pipeline. But if it is play the US handicap system (now renamed WHS) as Americans play it so that we are on a level field, the resistance will be much more than they have felt with WHS so far.
I think someone here mentioned earlier that they were at one of the EG seminars where US handicaps were raised. What was the response ? They are aware of it as we are, and that the primary goal of WHS has failed. They must have something in the pipeline. But if it is play the US handicap system (now renamed WHS) as Americans play it so that we are on a level field, the resistance will be much more than they have felt with WHS so far.
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D-S
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Breakfast balls are not allowed in the US. Some players may well take them but they are then, according to the rules, falsifying their score.
At the various seminars and workshops that I have attended there has been a strong view provided by those conducting the seminars that 'Most Likely Score' (which is what you are talking about and is detailed in the Rules of Handicapping), that this would never be introduced over here as it runs contrary to the golf culture here and could enable handicap manipulation.
Arthur Wedge
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World Handicapping System: An 'easy to abuse' system or helping to increase golf's popularity?
The introduction of the World Handicapping System proved controversial but England Golf believes the system is working, writes Iain Carter.
www.bbc.co.uk
“We reserve the right to be able to review any handicap that has more than four general play scorecards," Tomlinson insisted. "We have denied players entrance to some of our championships because they've had too many general play cards.”
wjemather
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His first sentence is accurate, the second is obviously just a simple misspeak (or perhaps misreporting). EG's policy and it's implementation absolutely does not restrict the number of GP scores - he's said this himself many times.World Handicapping System: An 'easy to abuse' system or helping to increase golf's popularity?
The introduction of the World Handicapping System proved controversial but England Golf believes the system is working, writes Iain Carter.
“We reserve the right to be able to review any handicap that has more than four general play scorecards," Tomlinson insisted. "We have denied players entrance to some of our championships because they've had too many general play cards.”
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Arthur Wedge
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So is “misreporting” or “misspeaking” then
As opposed to him actually saying exactly what’s happening
It’s there in black and white
Not sure why you continue to not see it
You can keep regurgitating what the policy is but it’s clear that many including EG do restrict entry based on GP scores
wjemather
Well-known member
I know you'd like the truth to be different but it isn't.
So is “misreporting” or “misspeaking” then
As opposed to him actually saying exactly what’s happening
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
The truth is very clear , clubs and EG are restricting people entry into opens and even their own comps based on GP scores
That’s factual
wjemather
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Yes, your statement is factual, but it is only a partial truth since denial of entry is more based on the competition scores that demonstrate lesser ability.
The truth is very clear , clubs and EG are restricting people entry into opens and even their own comps based on GP scores
That’s factual
Backache
Assistant Pro
Yet clubs are not allowed to determine that their own competition handicaps should be based more on competition scores ,you couldn't make it up.
wjemather
Well-known member
Clubs are free to require a minimum of competition competition scores for entry or prizes in their competitions or use GP/comp score comparison; they are not permitted to limit GP scores or run a secondary "competition handicap system" - for obvious reasons.
Backache
Assistant Pro
Yet other organisers are able to base entry on GP results. There is no logic to it other than the income to golf England generated by showing 'increases participation' based on GP returns. One is fair open and transparent and enables potential participants to put in competition scores appropriately. the other is commitee men deciding who plays behind locked doors
wjemather
Well-known member
Who and how?
And please don't persist with misrepresenting EG elite event policy, which doesn't do anything of the sort.
Backache
Assistant Pro
Well it does, the GP results are looked at and if they are better than the Competition results players are denied entry . This is what has been said on numerous occasions.
