robinthehood
Hacker
When ever there is a even mildly contentious rules incident I can guarantee you'll here telling us the rules are stupid. Bit it's pretty evident you don't really know them very well or bother to take the time to understand them.
Rickie Fowler Penalty..... Harsh!
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Parsaregood
Head Pro
You can understand a rule and also find the same rule when applied correctly to be inadequate in some situations, clearly like it was in this case
robinthehood
Hacker
Oh dear
Orikoru
Tour Winner
No it isn't. When an incident is highly debated like this one, it is played and viewed over and over again until everybody knows it like the back of their hand.
Why are you so afraid to admit that a rule may lack common sense or logic or fairness? The R&A themselves are questioning their rules hence why they are changing them on a gradual basis. But for you they are carved into stone and must be obeyed and never questioned. Ridiculous outdated attitude.
Parsaregood
Head Pro
Can't think of a ridiculous out for this obviously?
ger147
Tour Winner
So when I get to my ball I can fish it out of the burn and get a free drop? Because obviously it stopped on the edge of the burn for 20 seconds or so before it finally fell in...
HankMarvin
Tour Rookie
Wow I can't believe how may don't understand this simple rule, begs the question what other simple rules do they not understand.
Parsaregood
Head Pro
No you wouldn't because you haven't already taken a penalty drop, it's not hard to apply that logic is it
OLgolfer
Active member
Everyone understands the rule. Some of us are questioning it and it’s lack of common sense.
Not very difficult concept to understand, it’s called having a debate
robinthehood
Hacker
I can't believe you can think that's even remotely workable.
ger147
Tour Winner
But you just said you ball is not in play until you take your stance whether you hit it to where it finished or you dropped it there.
My ball finished on the edge of the burn, but before I reached it, it falls into the burn.
As per your statement above, I'm now entitled to a free drop.
HankMarvin
Tour Rookie
Debate all you want the rule is there for a reason and in this situation it was the correct ruling so what's to debate.
robinthehood
Hacker
Not at all, I'd like to know how you'd add common sense to this rule and also keep it fair.
Parsaregood
Head Pro
No that would be after taking a penalty drop it would not be in play until taking your stance, a ball is in play, in a hazard or otherwise until you declare that ball to be out of play, or lost or out of bounds
Orikoru
Tour Winner
No. We are specifically talking about incidents like the Rickie one. Obviously. Where he took a drop and then placed it, but then it dropped in the water again. Nothing to do with a shot that went near the water and then stopped and then rolled in. That's a completely different situation.
OLgolfer
Active member
Are you really this slow..? It’s like talking to a brick wall
What’s to debate... an alternative to the current rule...
ger147
Tour Winner
I was replying to what you said i.e. in post #100 you stated a dropped ball was not treated differently to a ball that was hit there and you also said the dropped ball was not in play until you take your stance, so if both are treated the same then your logic dictates the ball hit there is also not in play after it initially comes to rest until you take your stance.
robinthehood
Hacker
Its exactly like that. Why do you think that a ball placed or dropped in to play shpuld have different status to a ball that was struck in to play
Orikoru
Tour Winner
How many times do we have to say it? Seriously it's been said by me and Parsaregood multiple times now. It seems like you just skip past it because in your mind the rules were written by God Himself and must never be questioned.
One more time, let's see if you can get it...
If you take a drop, and/or subsequently place the ball, and then after a short period where you have not taken your stance to play your next shot, it rolls again - you retake the drop / replace the ball.
There it is. Simple.
Orikoru
Tour Winner
Because otherwise it might roll into the water again before you've even tried to play it and you get punished twice unfairly.