Reducing carbon emissions

[Deleted member 21784]

That's what I said, hence my question

That's really small fry tho

Ev could pay a standard £150

It's the money from petrol that's going to be more of a loss

 

[SocketRocket]

So if/when the government decide on a system to tax EV drivers, will the tax be less than ICE car owners, bearing in mind that the current vehicle tax is based on carbon emissions ?

They either get the tax from EVs or put up other tax.

 

[bobmac]

That's really small fry tho

Ev could pay a standard £150

It's the money from petrol that's going to be more of a loss

I understand that but is it fair for EVs to pay £150 when a Ford Fiesta that has 129 g/km of emissions pays less ?

 

[Deleted member 21784]

I understand that but is it fair for EVs to pay £150 when a Ford Fiesta that has 129 g/km of emissions pays less ?

Road tax on those cars I'm sure will go up

If ev was £150

Fiesta might be say £250

And so on

 

[bobmac]

Road tax on those cars I'm sure will go up

If ev was £150

Fiesta might be say £250

And so on

So the retired couple who do 1000 miles per year in their little Fiesta have to pay £100 more than the Tesla owner who does 30,000 per year?
And my tax would go up from £30 to £250 for driving 800 miles last year?

Pay per mile is the only fair way imo.
You use the roads more, you pay more.
eg
1p per mile EV
1.5p per mile petrol
2p per mile diesel

 

[Deleted member 21784]

So the retired couple who do 1000 miles per year in their little Fiesta have to pay £100 more than the Tesla owner who does 30,000 per year?
And my tax would go up from £30 to £250 for driving 800 miles last year?

Pay per mile is the only fair way imo.
You use the roads more, you pay more.
eg
1p per mile EV
1.5p per mile petrol
2p per mile diesel

But that's the system now isn't it

Old retired couple with a ford pay say £100

Telsa owner doing 30000 a year pays £0

 

[GreiginFife]

The yearly tax on Cars is done by emissions

Whilst technically correct, cars registered since 2017 it’s either zero emissions or £155 per year with the biggest penalty applied not on emissions but on value of the car which is nonsensical.

Then there are still a few cars around on the “old old” system of being banded on engine size rather then emissions (up to 1598cc and over 1600cc I think the split was).

There will be disparities with which ever system of charging or taxation is applied. Pence per mile will penalise rural people more then urbanites. You may have a Tesco or a Hospital right on your door step or really well organised public transport, but some don’t. Tesco is a 10 mile round trip for me and my nearest hospital is 26 miles away.

So is that fair on me? It’s impossible to balance it where it’s fair on everyone.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Whilst technically correct, cars registered since 2017 it’s either zero emissions or £155 per year with the biggest penalty applied not on emissions but on value of the car which is nonsensical.

Then there are still a few cars around on the “old old” system of being banded on engine size rather then emissions (up to 1598cc and over 1600cc I think the split was).

There will be disparities with which ever system of charging or taxation is applied. Pence per mile will penalise rural people more then urbanites. You may have a Tesco or a Hospital right on your door step or really well organised public transport, but some don’t. Tesco is a 10 mile round trip for me and my nearest hospital is 26 miles away.

So is that fair on me? It’s impossible to balance it where it’s fair on everyone.

The one I didn't know was that electric cars arent subject to the tax on value

 

[GreiginFife]

But that's the system now isn't it

Old retired couple with a ford pay say £100

Telsa owner doing 30000 a year pays £0

Isn’t the system now the way it is to try and incentivise propel to move to EVs though? The changes we talk about I assumed were long term when mass adoption becomes a reality.

The Tesla owner may fall prey to the “premium rate” VED if it’s a model S or X (or over £40k list) of £335 annually. The Fiesta driver won’t. But only in the circumstances that the Tesla is over the premium rate.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Isn’t the system now the way it is to try and incentivise propel to move to EVs though? The changes we talk about I assumed were long term when mass adoption becomes a reality.

The Tesla owner may fall prey to the “premium rate” VED if it’s a model S or X (or over £40k list) of £335 annually. The Fiesta driver won’t. But only in the circumstances that the Tesla is over the premium rate.

They don't, that's the thing I looked into this the telsa even the £100k models

No tax

I stumbled accross this as the model 3 was 39k but to get in a decent colour was 40k pushing it into the tax limit

I asked a few owners I know

Confirmed no tax

 

[GreiginFife]

The one I didn't know was that electric cars arent subject to the tax on value

Are they not?

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Are they not?

Road tax, officially known as Vehicle Excise Duty (VED), is calculated based on the CO2 tailpipe emissions of your vehicle, its list price and which year it was registered in.

Pure battery electric vehicles (BEVs) are exempt from VED.
Plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs) pay reduced VED.
Any vehicle (excluding BEVs) with a list price of £40,000 or above will incur an additional premium rate for 5 years (starting from the second time the vehicle is taxed).

 

[GreiginFife]

Road tax, officially known as Vehicle Excise Duty (VED), is calculated based on the CO2 tailpipe emissions of your vehicle, its list price and which year it was registered in.

Pure battery electric vehicles (BEVs) are exempt from VED.
Plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs) pay reduced VED.
Any vehicle (excluding BEVs) with a list price of £40,000 or above will incur an additional premium rate for 5 years (starting from the second time the vehicle is taxed).

I didn't realise they escaped that too, which makes the £40k thing even more spurious than it first seemed.

 

[bobmac]

But that's the system now isn't it

Old retired couple with a ford pay say £100

Telsa owner doing 30000 a year pays £0

Yes because of the emission rules at the moment.

But with the majority of cars in the future being Evs, under my new scheme you would pay by miles driven as emissions won't be an issue.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

I didn't realise they escaped that too, which makes the £40k thing even more spurious than it first seemed.

Yeah it's very random, so many cars get a list price of that aswell so easily when you add the extras

But a little known fact (I didn't know until I leased) is lease cars the lease company pay the tax not the driver

So that's a saving for lease drivers not getting that bill

But yes it's mad , I was ruling myself out the model 3 because I didn't want to pay £300 plus In tax a year .. as that's more than I was paying on two cars at the time

 

[bobmac]

Pence per mile will penalise rural people more then urbanites. You may have a Tesco or a Hospital right on your door step or really well organised public transport, but some don’t. Tesco is a 10 mile round trip for me and my nearest hospital is 26 miles away.

So is that fair on me? It’s impossible to balance it where it’s fair on everyone.

There's free EV charging at Tesco atm.

 

[GreiginFife]

Yeah it's very random, so many cars get a list price of that aswell so easily when you add the extras

But a little known fact (I didn't know until I leased) is lease cars the lease company pay the tax not the driver

So that's a saving for lease drivers not getting that bill

But yes it's mad , I was ruling myself out the model 3 because I didn't want to pay £300 plus In tax a year .. as that's more than I was paying on two cars at the time

That bodes well for when so finally get my hands on an i4. Unless by then they totally change the system which would be just my luck.

 

[GreiginFife]

There's free charging at Tesco atm.

Yeah, but I would still have to drive to get there.

Our Tesco is brilliant (sarcasm dripping) they are supposed to have 10 charging points, some were never installed so they have two and one is constantly out of order due to vandalism. They constantly allow the teenage boy racers to congregate in the car park and then wonder why things are being vandalised.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

That bodes well for when so finally get my hands on an i4. Unless by then they totally change the system which would be just my luck.

No doubt that will happen lol it's the rule of life

Like you say the system heavily favours EVs but then I didn't pay VED for 7 years when driving my hybrid

There are tons of them on the road so the gov is used to not getting tax from cars in that way

I wonder if in the future VED will be gone and that's why I personally believe the milage tax will come in to encourage you to drive less

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Yeah, but I would still have to drive to get there.

Our Tesco is brilliant (sarcasm dripping) they are supposed to have 10 charging points, some were never installed so they have two and one is constantly out of order due to vandalism. They constantly allow the teenage boy racers to congregate in the car park and then wonder why things are being vandalised.

Our local sports centre has just re opened, the new car park has 10 free charge points which is great (cabbies always there lol) but the idiots painted 11 bays lol for only 10 sockets

Standard council