Reducing carbon emissions

[Imurg]

@Jimaroid

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I don't care if its a statistically acceptable number of people to ask but to only ask 3000 people .........
I've said it before and I'll say it again..if pay per mile comes in the entire driving instruction industry would grind to a halt as we'd have to put our prices up to a level where nobody would want to pay..I'd give up and I know many, many others who would too.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

I don't care if its a statistically acceptable number of people to ask but to only ask 3000 people .........
I've said it before and I'll say it again..if pay per mile comes in the entire driving instruction industry would grind to a halt as we'd have to put our prices up to a level where nobody would want to pay..I'd give up and I know many, many others who would too.

But you pay tax on your fuel now .... It would work out similar for tax purposes why would that be different?

Honestly asking

 

[Imurg]

But you pay tax on your fuel now .... It would work out similar for tax purposes why would that be different?

Honestly asking

You're assuming that I'm going electric.....I have no plans to until I have to
I'll still be buying diesel and being taxed on that
If PPM is added my costs go up.

Unless the cost of diesel and petrol reduce or PPM is only aligned to EVs then its just not going to work.
Like it or not ICE cars are going to be around for a very long time..
Are you going to "punish" those who don't go EV?

 

[Deleted member 21784]

You're assuming that I'm going electric.....I have no plans to until I have to
I'll still be buying diesel and being taxed on that
If PPM is added my costs go up.

Unless the cost of diesel and petrol reduce or PPM is only aligned to EVs then its just not going to work.
Like it or not ICE cars are going to be around for a very long time..
Are you going to "punish" those who don't go EV?

Me personally ? No but I'd wager the gov will as a green "tax" to "encourage" switch to ev for "affordability"

 

[Imurg]

Me personally ? No but I'd wager the gov will as a green "tax" to "encourage" switch to ev for "affordability"

Which is why I'll give up.....

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Which is why I'll give up.....

We are 8 years away from the ban on sale of new ones

I doubt the new tax system would be running before that as people would still be mostly driving petrol and being taxed to hell

I'd guess you would be retired by then anyways?

I'd be interested to see driving instructors in EVs.. would manual tests become a thing of the past

 

[Jimaroid]

Why do we have to raise tax in the same way we do now?

Well. That’s a good question and the point I was originally getting at. To take the opportunity of the crisis, make a fair and incentivised tax system so it can be applied in all energy use towards carbon reduction.

But it’s nothing to do with distance.

“What’s the leccy bill this month darling?”

150 miles!

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Well. That’s a good question and the point I was originally getting at. To take the opportunity of the crisis, make a fair and incentivised tax system so it can be applied in all energy use towards carbon reduction.

But it’s nothing to do with distance.

“What’s the leccy bill this month darling?”

150 miles!

But that isn't what you said is It? You deliberately went aggressive completely not stating your point just because you didn't agree with my point.

Now that I could get on board with but how would you propose it's implemented?

How would the metre know how much kw is being used by something like the kettle which is bad or by the heat pump?

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Isn't the whole point redcuing emissions...thats what the thread title is anyway...
EV's still create emissions through production, charging, and disposing of. Of course the Govt will find ways to raise the revenue lost from current fuels, anyone can see that. Couple that with the phasing out of gas use, and its hitting you in the face like a wet kipper that leccy is going to be taxed a lot harder than now "to encourage us to use less"......

It's no good harping on about people not liking change, and wanting to keep certains things as they are now. We ALL have to accept change, regardless of our views or opinion.

 

[SocketRocket]

Isn't the whole point redcuing emissions...thats what the thread title is anyway...
EV's still create emissions through production, charging, and disposing of. Of course the Govt will find ways to raise the revenue lost from current fuels, anyone can see that. Couple that with the phasing out of gas use, and its hitting you in the face like a wet kipper that leccy is going to be taxed a lot harder than now "to encourage us to use less"......

It's no good harping on about people not liking change, and wanting to keep certains things as they are now. We ALL have to accept change, regardless of our views or opinion.

I guess they could put duty on electricity used through charging stations somehow ?. I'm not completely ofay with EV charging but I suppose you can run a lead from your home out to your car to charge it, this would create a problem with charging at a different duty rate for domestic electricity.

 

[Imurg]

I'd be interested to see driving instructors in EVs.. would manual tests become a thing of the past

Eventually...there are instructors with EVs already and the demand for automatic tests is rising.
The changeover point is going to be tricky to predict.
Costs of EVs ( 2nd hand) will have to come down to realistic levels for the first car market before most instructors change.
And, with a bit of luck, I'll be well out of it by then

 

[clubchamp98]

You're assuming that I'm going electric.....I have no plans to until I have to
I'll still be buying diesel and being taxed on that
If PPM is added my costs go up.

Unless the cost of diesel and petrol reduce or PPM is only aligned to EVs then its just not going to work.
Like it or not ICE cars are going to be around for a very long time..
Are you going to "punish" those who don't go EV?

Maybe that’s the plan to get us off the roads.( carbon neutral)
Tax us until the pips squeak.
Then only the rich can afford a car ,like the good old days.

 

[Deleted member 23270]

Isn't the whole point redcuing emissions...thats what the thread title is anyway...
EV's still create emissions through production, charging, and disposing of. Of course the Govt will find ways to raise the revenue lost from current fuels, anyone can see that. Couple that with the phasing out of gas use, and its hitting you in the face like a wet kipper that leccy is going to be taxed a lot harder than now "to encourage us to use less"......

It's no good harping on about people not liking change, and wanting to keep certains things as they are now. We ALL have to accept change, regardless of our views or opinion.

Yep leccy will be taxed but it's only 5p a unit overnight and isn't going to go up?

 

[Deleted member 21784]

I guess they could put duty on electricity used through charging stations somehow ?. I'm not completely ofay with EV charging but I suppose you can run a lead from your home out to your car to charge it, this would create a problem with charging at a different duty rate for domestic electricity.

You can yes
I can plug in a "Granny" charger into a 3 pin socket and get up to 3kw an hour charge
Or I have my 7kw charger which is run to a MCB which is seperate from the fuse board run off the electric supply

The smart metre only knows how many kw I am using

It doesn't know what is used to run the dishwasher , fridge, hoover or what is being used to charge the car

 

[SocketRocket]

You can yes
I can plug in a "Granny" charger into a 3 pin socket and get up to 3kw an hour charge
Or I have my 7kw charger which is run to a MCB which is seperate from the fuse board run off the electric supply

The smart metre only knows how many kw I am using

It doesn't know what is used to run the dishwasher , fridge, hoover or what is being used to charge the car

Yes, however it can't be beyond the capability of man to record and tax the power used in charging stations, or maybe in the car itself.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Yes, however it can't be beyond the capability of man to record and tax the power used in charging stations, or maybe in the car itself.

I've said this a few times aswell

My car records how much charge it receives

The podpoint itself records how much it sends to the car

However if I fed solar into the podpoint it wouldn't know what was from the grid and what was my own energy

 

[Jimaroid]

You can run any signalling you want over mains circuits, ethernet over mains aka Powerline adaptors for home networks are just mains modems that have been around for decades. Its been possible for many years for a consumer unit to act as a network switch and communicate with devices that are connected to its mains circuit, so it would know which appliances are drawing more power, but there’s been no will to adopt such things as there’s no commercial incentive. You could even retrofit this to all your existing appliances by swapping the plug.

It’s all possible but there’s no commercial or consumer will.

Hence we need government incentives and disincentives to drive adoption.

 

[bobmac]

So if/when the government decide on a system to tax EV drivers, will the tax be less than ICE car owners, bearing in mind that the current vehicle tax is based on carbon emissions ?

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Isn't only the initial charge is based on emmisions?

The yearly tax on Cars is done by emissions

 

[bobmac]

The yearly tax on Cars is done by emissions

That's what I said, hence my question