Reducing carbon emissions

[Deleted member 21784]

Yes, things are progressing. But I don't think that anyone is objecting to EV on principle.That they want ICE levels to stay and EV to go away as an unwelcome thing.? No, it all boils down to affordability and ability to use the new car technology.
I have mentioned before that I suspect that the technology ( of batteries))we require for fast , full charging is known to have been achieved or will be very soon. But there are reasons why it cannot be brought in immediately .
The oil industry has to be able to adjust, as others also.
It just doesn't seem feasible to me that this Government and others would push us in the EV direction if they did not know that their driving communities would be able to partake.
And as we have been seeing this last few weeks, there are unrelenting CO2 pressures also.

I am a strong believer that the oil industry has been holding ev back for years with back handers and bribes but ofc that's unfounded and just conjecture rather than proof

 

[PNWokingham]

I am a strong believer that the oil industry has been holding ev back for years with back handers and bribes but ofc that's unfounded and just conjecture rather than proof

Was that in Harry Potter?

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Was that in Harry Potter?

Real insightful again. Really valid input as always

Always look forward to your classic one liners

Feel free to write a book for if we run out of bog paper again.

 

[clubchamp98]

I am a strong believer that the oil industry has been holding ev back for years with back handers and bribes but ofc that's unfounded and just conjecture rather than proof

If that’s true it’s just the sort of thing to start a war.
Oil producers will see their product and influence wain.
Wars have been fought over oil before ,although our politicians would deny that.

 

[PNWokingham]

Real insightful again. Really valid input as always

Always look forward to your classic one liners

Feel free to write a book for if we run out of bog paper again.

what would be useful if you could exit the discussion rather than keep telling people they should buy second hand hybrids, and there are x amount of driveways in the country so everyone should be ok with an electric or hybrid. You are preaching and repetetive and totally dismissive of any valid points that people raise - and often rude as well. Grow up and stop trying to ram home the same points 400 times and maybe other people would also be able to say give their views without being pounced on. All posts i have read are broadly in agreement with the message of climate change and that things need to change. Things are changing rapidly, by innovation and regulation. The timescales are frightening. And the people who are most affected are those that can do least about it. But you are fine and rightious so i guess that is all good. But stop inflicting your incessant advice that everybody should be able to do what you think is right from your moral preaching perspective.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

what would be useful if you could exit the discussion rather than keep telling people they should buy second hand hybrids, and there are x amount of driveways in the country so everyone should be ok with an electric or hybrid. You are preaching and repetetive and totally dismissive of any valid points that people raise - and often rude as well. Grow up and stop trying to ram home the same points 400 times and maybe other people would also be able to say give their views without being pounced on. All posts i have read are broadly in agreement with the message of climate change and that things need to change. Things are changing rapidly, by innovation and regulation. The timescales are frightening. And the people who are most affected are those that can do least about it. But you are fine and rightious so i guess that is all good. But stop inflicting your incessant advice that everybody should be able to do what you think is right from your moral preaching perspective.

I've had some pleasant convos today with people with valid questions and wonderings about the whole situation

Not sure why you feel the need to constantly stick your nose in?

 

[Robster59]

That is also able to tow a trailer without the battery being flat before reaching the end of your road.

I can tow a caravan with my hybrid Skoda Superb. All battery power is gone though after 50-100 miles in auto hybrid mode.

 

[Deleted member 23270]

I've had some pleasant convos today with people with valid questions and wonderings about the whole situation

Not sure why you feel the need to constantly stick your nose in?

I think pnwokingham said what a lot of people on this forum think, myself included.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

I think pnwokingham said what a lot of people on this forum think, myself included.

Ah yes ofc you do.. the four ball of complete doom and gloom

The fun sponges

Ruins of any good thread

Classic Dave.

I really couldn't give a rat's what you think.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

I've had some pleasant convos today with people with valid questions and wonderings about the whole situation

Not sure why you feel the need to constantly stick your nose in?

I’d give up mate. You’ll just have the Old Man Shouts at Cloud clique pile on.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

I’d give up mate. You’ll just have the Old Man Shouts at Cloud clique pile on.

Yes I can feel the 4 of them whatsapping each other now to pile in.

Any reason debate goes out window when one of them pipes up

So good evening

 

[PNWokingham]

Yes I can feel the 4 of them whatsapping each other now to pile in.

Any reason debate goes out window when one of them pipes up

So good evening

Whatv4 people are referring too?

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Whatv4 people are referring too?

I'll leave you to wonder and work out. Farewell

 

[PNWokingham]

I'll leave you to wonder and work out. Farewell

Hallelujah ????

 

[Deleted member 15344]

One of the guys at the club had a MG electric car and has had major issues with it including the batteries shorting out when charging and his range being shocking

Was looking at the cheapest EV on the market

https://www.edfenergy.com/for-home/energywise/cheapest-electric-cars-to-buy

Couldn’t how much one of them cost when compared to others on the market

Certainly going to need some big reductions on these cars before they become more affordable especially the decent ones

The e trons look stunning

 

[Jimaroid]

The only reason EVs are going to be successful is because theres a lot of money to be made and the affluent are buying into the fantasy.

EVs don’t address the root problems we have as an over-populated consumerist society, one that has increasingly high energy demands and one that has a dependance towards addiction of motorised transport, cars in particular.

Instead of looking at how we might break that cycle, and perhaps change society to be less dependant on transport overall, we’re just going to make more cars. It’s dumb. We’ll perpetuate the problem in the name of profit and pat ourselves on the back for a job well done.

 

[ColchesterFC]

One of the guys at the club had a MG electric car and has had major issues with it including the batteries shorting out when charging and his range being shocking

Was looking at the cheapest EV on the market

https://www.edfenergy.com/for-home/energywise/cheapest-electric-cars-to-buy

Couldn’t how much one of them cost when compared to others on the market

Certainly going to need some big reductions on these cars before they become more affordable especially the decent ones

The e trons look stunning

£10k more for the Vauxhall Corsa E compared to a standard Corsa. Nearly £9K difference for the Fiat 500. They've got to get that difference down by a lot to make it not only attractive but also affordable to most people.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

£10k more for the Vauxhall Corsa E compared to a standard Corsa. Nearly £9K difference for the Fiat 500. They've got to get that difference down by a lot to make it not only attractive but also affordable to most people.

The OTR price is almost irrelevant. How much will it cost per month?

Does the Corsa E come with additional options compared to the standard?

Do people not do the maths on overall cost of ownership? I’d be surprised if many EVs came out much more expensive then the equivalent ICE.

 

[PNWokingham]

£10k more for the Vauxhall Corsa E compared to a standard Corsa. Nearly £9K difference for the Fiat 500. They've got to get that difference down by a lot to make it not only attractive but also affordable to most people.

The other key is that you really need home charging. Thus a driveway and charging gear. That rules out a large proportion of people owning flats, terrace houses and also in rented accommodation.

 

[Deleted member 23270]

The OTR price is almost irrelevant. How much will it cost per month?

Does the Corsa E come with additional options compared to the standard?

Do people not do the maths on overall cost of ownership? I’d be surprised if many EVs came out much more expensive then the equivalent ICE.

I looked at an Ioniq5 in the dealership this afternoon, over £40k. The salesman told me the cost of charging it and it works out about 1/3rd of the cost of running my diesel. I could buy a very nice car for £30k, that's one hell of a lot of miles I'd need to do to break even.