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Friend of mine went to Edinburgh and back in his Nissan Leaf, had to stop 3 times each way at services. What he saved on electricity v fuel he spent on coffee 
Reducing carbon emissions
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Yes. As stated electric car tariffs remain unchanged. 5p at night just the day rate has risen
Those changes are zero to do with tax all down to cost of wholesale
So it's entirely different
Point of ref .. octupus go when I signed up 14p 05:30-01:30
5p 01:30-05:30
Offer as it stands now
24p 05:30-01:30
5p 01:30-05:30
That's without their new tariff that's 6 hours at 5p
Struggle to beat that anywhere really
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How can you say prices remain unchanged when you have quoted a rise of 10p per hour? Fine for you as you do all your charging off peak at home but what about people using public chargers?
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Public chargers prices are fixed at a lower rate
Gridserve are still fixed at 30p pkwh.
They have their profit margins and buy at wholesale rates
The actual wholesale has gone from 1.5p pkwh to 7ppkwh
The gridserve system which is replacing all charges at motorway services are set at 30p
They also make a lot of their own electric and sell to grid as they own massive amounts of solar farms
Their wholesale costs have bearly changed
Charging on street hasn't gone up
Tesco still do majority of their podpoints for free .. lidl still 22p
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And yet you still think the prices won't go up..........
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? Do you deliberately ignore information?
The price hasn't risen.
Octupus haven't put their prices up for ev .. the night tariff remians unchanged their actually selling at a 2p loss by wholesale
Gridserve MAKE their own electric, solar farms. They won't be paying the 7p
Whilst they have profit margins .. their still making a lot
Tesco again still free even tho they are paying 5.5p more for it their still pumping it out for free ...
As I said before. Over 4 years I'm saving over £5k in fuel alone
Pick as many holes as you want in ev that's a lot of money by anyone's standards.
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I give up, I really can't believe you are so naïve to think that electricity companies will continue to sell at a loss
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I give up, I really can't believe you are so naïve to think that electricity companies will continue to sell at a loss
The facts agree with me
Octopus sell at 5p at night 24p day
They make massive in day and tiny loss at night .. at current rates they are still signing people up
When prices come back down in march when the high speed cable from France comes back online (after it burnt out) wholesale will drop back down and prices will fall
Do you actually keep up with what's causing the issues and when will fix?
Sorry but the facts completely disagree with you. You need to understand them if your whole argument is based on poor understanding of facts.
Bunkermagnet
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London’s congestion charge will be applicable to EVs from 2025, and I would imagine RFL will also be charged on them around that time as well.
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I think that is most likely aswell
Like I said before I see price per mile but tax on fuel won't change u can bet .. so petrol will be taxed twice to try and get people to move
Even tho petrol you already taxed twice ofc
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https://www.euronews.com/2021/10/28/why-europe-s-energy-prices-are-soaring-and-could-get-much-worse
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/ofgem-energy-bills-bbc-b959216.html
https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/energy-...ricity-price-cap-rise-ofgem-explained-1211758
I suggest you pull your head out of your arse and start looking at some real world facts. High energy prices are here to stay for the foreseeable future. OK so you have a cheap off peak deal but how long do you think until it goes up? What about people signing up now? You have pissed off a lot of people with your sanctimonious crap and I've had enough personally so I'm putting you on ignore. Feel free to reply if you want but I won't be wasting my time reading it.
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Excellent finally don't have to put up with your constant rubbish
Electric went up because of the cable from France going down . When it comes back online it returns .
Everything you put is gas. Gas is up for entirely different reason which may take longer to stabilise.
bobmac
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I think the problem is, if different people keep telling us the same things, it gets kind of boring, especially if they are 3 or 4 years out of date. It's often just a case of bringing them up to date with what's going on in a fast moving industry.
Yes we know they are expensive, yes, some people can't charge at home, we need more chargers and for some the range just isn't enough.
But the clever people know all this and have done for years and are working hard to improve things.
It will take time and right now, an EV won't suit everyone, but the change is happening faster than many are aware.
I'm sure people will continue to buy ICE cars for years to come but eventually it will make more financial sense to get an EV.
Think of the first computers, microwaves, flat screen tvs, mobiles, they were all very expensive when they first came out but quickly became affordable for everyone.
You only have to look at the car adverts on TV to see what the future holds and if cost is your main concern, take a look at what is coming from China.
You only have to glance across the pond to see that that is happening out in the open.
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/20...worth-spurs-questions-energy-policy-position/
The only difference over here is the MPs are more sneaky.
SteveJay
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OTR means everything if, like me, you are retired and so want to buy your next car outright. I'd like to go down the Ev route but can't justify paying silly money for a small EV when I could get a top of the range ICE for less. Accept those going down the leasing road may see little difference but I disagree that OTR is irrelevant.
SteveJay
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Shock horror, some people actually buy a car based on looks
Thats why for many drivers, an unreachable model like a tesla is what they would want, not a little city car with limited practicality and minimal kerb appeal!!
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Shock horror, some people actually buy a car based on looks
Thats why for many drivers, an unreachable model like a tesla is what they would want, not a little city car with limited practicality and minimal kerb appeal!!
If someone is buying a Tesla based on looks they need to get their eyes tested.
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Shock horror, some people actually buy a car based on looks
Thats why for many drivers, an unreachable model like a tesla is what they would want, not a little city car with limited practicality and minimal kerb appeal!!
I know right. I look forward to hearing the colleague moan if she gets stuck because she didn't think oh the Hyundai with 60kw would be much better for me than the 28kw mini
Infact the 40kw leaf would be better
Jimaroid
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It’s her choice. Not yours. This constant sneering attitude at what others choose to do is getting very tiring. It keeps being said but you continue to do it.
Please stop. You’re winning nobody over.
The best way to get people to change behaviour is to let them make their own mistakes. Transitioning to a low carbon future isn’t going to be done instantly. People will take time to adapt and many mistakes will be made. Let. It. Go.
GreiginFife
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Yes it is indeed her choice. However it sounds like the sales person has really missold the car which is wrong
It's range on motorways in winter is 80 miles which is her commute .. I play golf with her husband and he was surprised when I told him about the low range. He just went guess she will nick the ugly car back off me then lol
