Reducing carbon emissions
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BiMGuy
LIV Bot, (But Not As Big As Mel) ?
Me sarcastic? Never.Oh, I get that. In this instance I was replying to a specific question rather than making a moral judgement. I think @BiMGuy asked it genuinely, he isn't a sarky poster although he could have pulled the wool over my eyes on this one.
Very few sports have green credentials, it is just a matter of how bad really. No point in just existing but we do have to exist and look after things a bit better though.
I was however genuinely asking why someone thought F1 was one of the worst sports for emissions. When in fact it isn’t. F1 have taken huge steps to reduce emissions, it will never be perfect, but then nothing is. The F1 business side of this weekends race was carbon neutral.
Even if we go back to living in caves, humans will have an impact on our environment.
Personally, I’d start with banning log burners.
I knew I could trust you ?.
I don't fully buy the carbon neutral thing though. Are you talking about purely the race itself or the whole transport to and from? What do they do, just pay for trees to be planted somewhere? I'm not being sarky now, ?, genuinely interested when organisations, companies etc make those claims. Very few stand up to much scrutiny.
cliveb
Head Pro
The fuel burned by the actual F1 cars is not worth talking about. The entire grid burns less fuel in a season than a 747 burns on a single transatlantic flight.
It's moving the circus around the world that contributes 99%+ of F1's carbon footprint (which of course is quite high).
cliveb
Head Pro
Unfortunately, you've offset pretty much everything on the list by having three offspring.
(In your defense, I presume you were planning to have only two and got surprised?)
One of the biggest contributions anyone can make for the future of the planet is to avoid breeding.
Leftitshort
Well-known member
I don’t understand why you’re being so defensive. You make some valid points but all of these micro aggressions are detracting from your message. we all need to do more, I’m eating less red meat, and will consider a EV if I can make the charging work.
There will always be sceptics, shouting at them and belittling them won’t bring them with you.
Just ask yourself
‘What would Jesus do?’
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
If you read the ev thread it's always the same names piping up with claims of how bad EVs are is the problem and it's just boring
Indeed, went for 2 and got twins.
But DW I've had the snip so no more surprises
Robster59
Tour Rookie
Whatever happened to reasoned discussion? Surely we can discuss this without people turning to personal insults?
You're all a shower of winkers!
You're all a shower of winkers!
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chellie
Tour Winner
Ye Olde Boomer
Well-known member
The internet is the worst possible venue at which to seek reasonable discussion.
Even some who are generally polite tend to become serious assholes on the internet.
I claim no personal innocence in this matter, but I have been trying to keep it in mind more than I have in the past.
Even some who are generally polite tend to become serious assholes on the internet.
I claim no personal innocence in this matter, but I have been trying to keep it in mind more than I have in the past.
Robster59
Tour Rookie
Line 2 was merely an attempt at humour. I guess it will go over some heads. Wink added for clarification.Obviously can't
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
You may be wealthy enough to install a heat pump system and drive an ev car plus a ice but what about the people that can't afford these things, are they uncaring about the environment or lazy. Rather than insulting people how about explaining how these people can get on the heat pump/ev train.
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
Been done to death on the ev thread, and the same people pick holes in every bit of postive posted so meh
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
OK, you don't want to.
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
I've been through many postives, ways to get into EVs on the cheap. With in depth detail but the same 4 ball of doom and gloom pop up to moan and pick holes
It's boring.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
Not trying to pick any holes. I am genuinely interested in how a very large amount of the population can possibly get heat pumps and EVs when they are obviously way out of their price range. It's a bit like solar panels and feed in rates, the less well off have to subsidise the better off by paying more for their energy.
Also, when you say ways to get EVs on the cheap, what do you mean by cheap? It's the poorer again that will only be able to afford the old second hand worn out gas guzzlers, how do you suggest they get onto the eco heating/driving ladder.
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
Feel free to pm me about it as anything I post on here the naysayers will just try and pick holes in any postive side so what's the point
Swinglowandslow
Well-known member
Yes, true.
It's a pity that Carl Sagan wasn't around to give his "Man in his arrogance " speech at Glasgow.
At the very least it should have been read out.
That speech says it better than anyone else.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
I've already asked the questions. PM me your answers if you prefer.
sweaty sock
Hacker
The other thing to mention is the technology trickle down. KERS and electric motors have come a very long way thanks to F1 technology. Every modern car is more efficient and burns less fuel (whether dead dinosaurs or magical fairy dust) thanks to brake and tyre technology developed in F1. F1 continues to attract alot more high flyers in research and development than the green movement, and puts them all to work on difficult problems with a better budget. So there are a good number of intangible benefits.
