So good putts don't always get rewarded. Sounds like a good case for making the hole a bit bigger to me!
Putts that lip out - What's your view?
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So good putts don't always get rewarded. Sounds like a good case for making the hole a bit bigger to me!
Foxholer
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So good putts don't always get rewarded. Sounds like a good case for making the hole a bit bigger to me!
(Your usual) pig-swill!!!
I suppose you are an advocate of making exams easier to get higher pass rates too, rather than actually improving the quality of the candidates!
One Planer
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So good putts don't always get rewarded. Sounds like a good case for making the hole a bit bigger to me!
Slightly off topic.
... But
What makes you think a ball won't lip out on a bigger hole?
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
PP had a full 360 degree lip out on Saturday (clockwise) cant help thinking that if we were in northern hemisphere it would have dropped!
It would be less likely to do so due to the greater radius. If you had an almost infinitely large hole, i.e. with the sides approaching a straight line, the ball would drop in as long as its centre of mass was inside the lip. Lip outs are caused by a combination of inertia and centrifugal force. A ball hit at absolutely dead weight would drop in as above, but at a risk in practice of leaving the putt short.
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DCB
Well-known member
Given the weather conditions over the weekend, could this be a case of crowned holes. Perfect conditions for it if you ask me. You always seem to lip out more when the holes are crowned in my experience because we don't allow for it.
HawkeyeMS
Ryder Cup Winner
chris661
Money List Winner
So good putts don't always get rewarded. Sounds like a good case for making the hole a bit bigger to me!
Oh God. Not again please.
When the greens are wet and soft, the hole always seems to become a bit crowned with use. This is due to players standing close to retrieve their balls from the hole, or to attend the flag, and creating a slight depression around it. Dave Pelz refers to this as 'the doughnut effect' . The other effect is that the hole closes up slightly at the top as the liner is normally an inch below the lip. I have measured holes that are less than 4" in diameter at the surface when they are supposed to be 4.25"! :mmm:
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Foxholer
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tsped83
Tour Winner
Good putt or bad putt, doesn't really matter if it didn't go in. Unlucky to have 10 in a round, but I wouldn't worry at all about it, at least you're not missing the hole completely, at least you're scaring it.
I suppose that a ball arriving at the middle of the hole will not lip out, as long as it is not travelling so fast (and with so much inertia) that it jumps right over the top of it. The forces acting on a ball when putting are gravity (trying to pull it down), inertia (trying to keep it moving in a straight line) and centrifugal or centripedal force if it happens to catch the lip.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
It's a bit of an odd question to me because there can be no answer. I guess you have to first state the criteria that define a good putt - and those that define a bad putt.
I rather just think that putts that lip out as being unlucky. Whether good or bad - lipping out is generally unlucky - though often brought about through your own stupidity or casualness.
I rather just think that putts that lip out as being unlucky. Whether good or bad - lipping out is generally unlucky - though often brought about through your own stupidity or casualness.
Val
Ryder Cup Winner
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Foxholer
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Slightly better, but still some wrong concepts in there - and dodgy spelling!
1. You are confusing inertia and momentum. they may 'be equal' but they are not the same!
2. Centrifugal 'Force' is a form of inertia.
3. What is the centripetal force? (I'm not saying there's not one, just asking you to identify it).
All 3 of Newtons Laws of motion involved and there could even be some of his dyberdicks Calculus if you wanted! If only he'd played Golf rather than sitting around in an orchard!
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Jack_bfc
Challenge Tour Pro
If it lips out and leaves you 18 inches from the hole, is it better than leaving it 18 inches short?
End result will depend on whether the 18 inches is up or down hill and how much it breaks.
The only important stat is they didn't got in
End result will depend on whether the 18 inches is up or down hill and how much it breaks.
The only important stat is they didn't got in
Inertia is what a body does when obeying Newton's first law, i.e. remaining at rest or in a constant state of motion. Momentum is Mass x Velocity. Centripetal force is a force that makes a body follow a curved path and is essentially equal and opposite to Centrifugal force. Think of a conker attached to a piece of string and swung in a circle.
I would rather the ball reaches the holes and lips out. It means at least the ball got there. Nothing for leaving it short and the hole has never moved to the ball.
North Mimms
Tour Winner
Dave Peltz has calculated that the optimum distance /weight for a putt to minimise lip outs is 17 inches "past the hole"
One Planer
Global Moderator
Does that mean I'm hitting the ball with an inch too much pace :smirk:
