Proper miffed for my partner

[HawkeyeMS]

perhaps my comment was misleading about that. what I was trying to say is that the winner has won the trophy even though they were not the best golfer over the two days. I personally would see this as a shallow victory. It does not concern me who the prize goes too now, we have moved on from this unfortunate situation and will learn from this

Without wanting to be picky, if it was a Nett comp, it is unlikely Mrs Matt71 was the best golfer over the 2 days, but that's another story.

It never ceases to amaze me how clubs manage to not advertise this stuff upfront and very often get it wrong. We have a folder (somewhere) which has the rules of all of the competitions written in it but not everyone has access to it. So far this year we got to the morning of one of our board comps and nearly had everyone playing the wrong format (betterball instead of combined stableford) because no-one would believe me that they had it wrong. We also had a situation last week where a competition was posted in 3 divisions and then re-adjusted 4 days later as someone realised that competition should only be two.

I have suggested several times that the rules of all competitions are posted on the website but it has so far fallen on deaf ears.

Mrs matt71 should take heart from her good performance disappointing though it is

 

[Crazyface]

Could have had a maximum handicap limit or something then but should have been clear on the entry form. She's right to check for future and ask that the rules be made clearer. Nice that you're miffed for her and want to wade in on her behalf BUT knowing a bit more about how ladies sections tick it's best she handle it her way or the coven of ex captains and committee members will be onto her

This. BUT it is very very scary about "the coven of ex captains and committee members will be onto her" and this is what is wrong about ladies sections. They can be collectively the Devil incarnate, and Amanda has now put it in print to confirm it. I'd kick up an almighty fuss and stir up the whole system to the effect it would NEVER EVER be allowed to happen again, and suggest that you do this otherwise it could happened again to someone else, and boy will they love to hear your anecdote of how it happen to your partner a few years ago.

 

[magic chipper]

Matt its lovely that you are looking out for your partner but to be fair to the club (I am not a member but can work it out from How did I do!) Your fixture list shows the comp as a "Scratch" comp for "Silver"div players. You say it wasn't won by the best player, BUT IT WAS - the best player did 2 "gross/scratch" scores in the 80s. Your partners "scratch score over the 2 rounds was over 40 shots higher. So the " best" player rightly gets their name on board. I can see on your fixture list that there is also a "scratch" comp for bronze players so maybe your other half could start by winning that one & build up from there. In both comps it seems clear that the players in either bronze or silver can still play for hcap purposes.
I can see this from the organisers point of view as I have done many notices & information folders in the past but most people don't seem to read them!

 

[FairwayDodger]

perhaps my comment was misleading about that. what I was trying to say is that the winner has won the trophy even though they were not the best golfer over the two days. I personally would see this as a shallow victory. It does not concern me who the prize goes too now, we have moved on from this unfortunate situation and will learn from this

Again, I have to disagree. The "best golfer" is not the one who "wins" by virtue of receiving more strokes.

A handicap competition is exactly that, handicapped to allow everyone to compete with better golfers. Winning one does not make you the "best golfer", just that you played better relative to your handicap than everyone else relative to their handicap.

 

[matt71]

Again, I have to disagree. The "best golfer" is not the one who "wins" by virtue of receiving more strokes.

A handicap competition is exactly that, handicapped to allow everyone to compete with better golfers. Winning one does not make you the "best golfer", just that you played better relative to your handicap than everyone else relative to their handicap.

Yes I see what you mean

 

[matt71]

Matt its lovely that you are looking out for your partner but to be fair to the club (I am not a member but can work it out from How did I do!) Your fixture list shows the comp as a "Scratch" comp for "Silver"div players. You say it wasn't won by the best player, BUT IT WAS - the best player did 2 "gross/scratch" scores in the 80s. Your partners "scratch score over the 2 rounds was over 40 shots higher. So the " best" player rightly gets their name on board. I can see on your fixture list that there is also a "scratch" comp for bronze players so maybe your other half could start by winning that one & build up from there. In both comps it seems clear that the players in either bronze or silver can still play for hcap purposes.
I can see this from the organisers point of view as I have done many notices & information folders in the past but most people don't seem to read them!

hi thank you for the reply, to be honest we had no idea what the basis of the comp was ( we do not know what silver means and still don't know now) as mentioned previously we were not informed or She had not noticed the rules before hand either way it does not matter now and she will try harder in future to find out. we wrongly presumed that it was a combined net score but as I have said in a previous post we are just gutted that she is ineligible to win but we all learn from mistakes

 

[fundy]

Have to say I hate these distinctions, for me if the competition has a handicap limit then that should be stated, and if anyone off a higher handicap wants to play they play off the maximum allowed (would your OH have won in this instance?)

We have a knockout comp where the max is 13, we get a fair few 14 and 15 handicappers who play in it off 13 and no one bats an eye lid

 

[matt71]

Have to say I hate these distinctions, for me if the competition has a handicap limit then that should be stated, and if anyone off a higher handicap wants to play they play off the maximum allowed (would your OH have won in this instance?)

We have a knockout comp where the max is 13, we get a fair few 14 and 15 handicappers who play in it off 13 and no one bats an eye lid

no not a chance she would have won lol

 

[FairwayDodger]

Have to say I hate these distinctions, for me if the competition has a handicap limit then that should be stated, and if anyone off a higher handicap wants to play they play off the maximum allowed (would your OH have won in this instance?)

We have a knockout comp where the max is 13, we get a fair few 14 and 15 handicappers who play in it off 13 and no one bats an eye lid

That seems fair, especially if they're allowed to play in it for handicap purposes anyway.

 

[patricks148]

we have a comp of the blue that is 8 handicap and below, but the last few years the office have let a couple of 11 and 10 handicappers in by mistake, wonder what would happen if one of these actually won?

 

[Jack_bfc]

I play comps to improve my game and reduce my HC. Not to win.

I won last week, but didn't know before hand that it was a board comp, I didn't know there would be a presentation or when that would take place... I don't know what I win, if anything. Apart from this regional qualifier at Birkdale. And I wouldn't be the slightest bit bothered if they took it away on a technicality. As long as my HC stays at 19....

And I have just noticed the captain has joined up with me and my PP on sat for the comp.

So I suppose I will either be congratulated or told off for breach of etiquette...........

 

[matt71]

cheers again everyone. feel the subject has been done to death now and I appreciate all your inputs. Feel a bit daft and embarrased having a moan on a forum site now without knowing the full details of how certain comps work (thank you for putting me straight) as well as the mass confusion on my opinion who is a worthy winner or not. in short really proud of my other half on the golf course and hopefully next time I have a comment about her comp it will be to celebrate a success. Cheers everyone :cheers:

 

[FairwayDodger]

cheers again everyone. feel the subject has been done to death now and I appreciate all your inputs. Feel a bit daft and embarrased having a moan on a forum site now without knowing the full details of how certain comps work (thank you for putting me straight) as well as the mass confusion on my opinion who is a worthy winner or not. in short really proud of my other half on the golf course and hopefully next time I have a comment about her comp it will be to celebrate a success. Cheers everyone :cheers:

Cheers Matt, I like your attitude. Looking forward to that next post!

:cheers:

 

[FairwayDodger]

hi thank you for the reply, to be honest we had no idea what the basis of the comp was ( we do not know what silver means and still don't know now) as mentioned previously we were not informed or She had not noticed the rules before hand either way it does not matter now and she will try harder in future to find out. we wrongly presumed that it was a combined net score but as I have said in a previous post we are just gutted that she is ineligible to win but we all learn from mistakes

Women's handicaps are split into two categories, arbitrarily known as "silver" and "bronze". There isn't a "gold", never has been as far as I know, don't know why not! (Anyone explain that one?)

I'm pretty sure that 20.4 (i.e. playing handicap 20) and under are silver and above that are bronze.

Competitions are sometimes for one or other of the categories but, more commonly, there will be both a bronze and a silver winner.

Hope that helps!

 

[JustOne]

Buy her a little trophy and tell her that she'll always be YOUR champion.



















.....and with a bit of luck you might get yer leg over

 

[matt71]

Buy her a little trophy and tell her that she'll always be YOUR champion.



















.....and with a bit of luck you might get yer leg over

ha ha that's a good reason NOT to buy a trophy..lol Hope she does not read this later