Arthur Wedge
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Yeah his game looks set up for their courses
Can see him being a Ryder Cup player in a couple years
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Can see him being a Ryder Cup player in a couple years
kp17
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Plus 550 thousand euro, not too shabby
Klimski
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Looking back over the past season (it's not over yet!) - I think it was wildly entertaining. Scottie proving to be the greatest at the moment. Rory doing his thing: Grand Slam and Ryder Cup. I also enjoyed the European swing of the DP World tour. Penge, Couvra amongst others coming to the fore.
One negative: LIV is so irrelevant. Some of the courses they played were woeful. And I don't think even the players themselves really care that much. I would love to see LIV merge with DP world tour, so that there's a really strong global tour alongside the PGA tour. It saddens me a bit that the European tour has become little more than a farm tour for the PGA tour. Whereas it has a number of tournements that should have great stature, thinking of all the national opens in Europe.
One negative: LIV is so irrelevant. Some of the courses they played were woeful. And I don't think even the players themselves really care that much. I would love to see LIV merge with DP world tour, so that there's a really strong global tour alongside the PGA tour. It saddens me a bit that the European tour has become little more than a farm tour for the PGA tour. Whereas it has a number of tournements that should have great stature, thinking of all the national opens in Europe.
Arthur Wedge
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Great to see top players going to play in these home Opens
AussieKB
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How much appearance money I wonder ? no go at Rory, they are all in on it, and then play I'm here for the trophy crapppp
simsini
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Which courses would you say were woeful on LIV?
I don't think they've played anywhere worse than say Jackson Country Club on the PGA Tour. Flat, wide open with no rough and easy greens.
Lucifer MorningStar
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Several things to unpick here! Which LIV courses were of poor quality as all the ones I watched were in Pristine condition or is it they just weren't recognised big names like other tours.
I also would love to know how you think LIV can combine with DPWT as it doesn't fit their business model or branding for the game. Genuinely intrigued by that one as I loved the ET when it was at its height it was so much more interesting that the PGAT. But they sold out long ago and are barely more than a Feeder tour like Korn Ferry. It's sad but it's where we're at in the game,
Lucifer MorningStar
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I don't for one minute believe Rory's appearance is for the love of the Indian National open as it is for his wallet and sponsorship endorsements.. Would love to see DPWT return to the heights of the ET glory days but it's sad when it comes down ultimately paying players appearance fees whether directly or through sponsor enhancements. Kind of belittles the guys really working for it out there to become relevant and gain their playing rights.
Arthur Wedge
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the fact he is there to help boost the event should be seen as a positive- his impact playing there is prob as big for golf in India than it was when Woods went there , it will be the same when he goes to Australia
It’s better for these players to go to these national opens than play in another run of the mill PGAT event
Get those players there , will potentially increase the level of sponsorship which in turn can increase the prize fund for those others grinding it away
Players have been paid appearance fees since the 70’s
Lucifer MorningStar
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So doesn't make it right or that I have to agree with it! I don't believe it should happen in any sport and it belittles others efforts regardless of what it brings in! So no I won't applaud a player getting paid more to turn up than some guys that might earn nothing if they miss the cut or others who may earn less despite out playing the bigger name!
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Arthur Wedge
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Unfortunately the ET was abandoned by all its top players over the decades - from the 80’s players just jumped ship when they could
It would have prob crashed if it didn’t look to join other Tours
Imurg
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That, to me, is a woeful course to play a monthly medal on let alone an, allegedly, top Professional tournament.....
Lucifer MorningStar
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I agree with you that's why i'm intrigued as to his suggestion how LIV could join because it's polar opposites of what they both want to achieve. I still now prefer to watch the DPWT over PGAT, better variety of courses and different approaches rather than the boring bomb and gouge we see week in week out. Even the Ladies gilf I enjoy watching far more for the skill and shots rather than oh another 350yard drive and flick
Arthur Wedge
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What LIV wanted to achieve was what Greg Norman wanted to achieve and that was to try and take players away from just playing in the US
What we could see happen is PIF do something with DP T and that is to create a true worldwide tour and players are attracted by a prize fund
The model of PIF would fit within a standard tour model
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Lucifer MorningStar
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I disagree, PIF could well get involved and bring glory days to DPWT and create a truly global tour. But Their model of team golf, music blaring etc doesn't fit in with the DWPT standard tour model.
The only would be to create a hybrid tour of individuals qualify for an end of year one off team event, but thats not the same for them so would need a big rethink. The way LIV runs, the style of golf, the format and what it brings is refreshing and different but it certainly wouldn't fit into a standard tour model imo.
Arthur Wedge
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That’s the LIV model as opposed to PIF itself - the LIV model was created by Greg Norman as opposed to PIF
PIF used to fund events on the DP Tour previously
PIF’s aim imo is to get seats at the top table of all major sports
Fully finding the DP tour to attract the best players can give them a big seat - it’s all set up globally already
All the LIV stuff was the idea of Greg Norman who has been let go
Doon frae Troon
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I think Old Tom Morris used to get appearance money for turning up for matches.
Lucifer MorningStar
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So you proved my point the LIV model
Wouldn’t work
And they would have to adjust to a standard model thus moving away from the current model they have. Quite simple when you agree
Arthur Wedge
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So you proved my point the LIV model
Wouldn’t work
And they would have to adjust to a standard model thus moving away from the current model they have. Quite simple when you agree
Hence why I was taking about PIF funding DP Tour not LIV joining or merging with the ET
Looking back think something got lost in translation
I look at PIF and LIV as two seperate things
PIF want to be involved in top level sports and Greg Norman used that desire to help him create his model and getting some top players in helped satisfy PIF regardless of what format they played
I think going forward though with PIF tightening the purses strings they may see it more worthwhile looking at the ET being a viable option to be a world leading golf tour and get those top players playing on events all over the world without having to throw around huge contracts , and the players wouldn’t have to worry about ranking points and Ryder Cups etc
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Lucifer MorningStar
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Yet the question wasn’t about PIF it was “how does LIV merge with DPWT?”
Answer is it doesn’t as the format doesn’t work at all combined so PIF have to no longer find LIV and fund DPWT! Therefore not a merger it in fact would mean LIV as a tour would need to cease completely for the investor to move elsewhere under a completely different model.
Thereby you agree it doesn’t work but went the long way round to make it sound like you’re right ! Bizarre, must be a slow day