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Lucifer MorningStar said:
Yet the question wasn’t about PIF it was “how does LIV merge with DPWT?”

Answer is it doesn’t as the format doesn’t work at all combined so PIF have to no longer find LIV and fund DPWT! Therefore not a merger it in fact would mean LIV as a tour would need to cease completely for the investor to move elsewhere under a completely different model.

Thereby you agree it doesn’t work but went the long way round to make it sound like you’re right ! Bizarre, must be a slow day 😉
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Riyadh Golf Club - LIV golf. Rest my case.

And as for those who say a LIV merger and DP world tour would not work because of the format: nobody cares about LIV format. It's all about the money. PIF could invest in the DP World tour instead, drop the LIV product and all the LIV players could get cards to this new World Tour. Not that I am really a fan of allowed the Saudi dollar to buy everything in sight, but...what can you do?!
 
Arthur Wedge said:
the fact he is there to help boost the event should be seen as a positive- his impact playing there is prob as big for golf in India than it was when Woods went there , it will be the same when he goes to Australia

It’s better for these players to go to these national opens than play in another run of the mill PGAT event

Get those players there , will potentially increase the level of sponsorship which in turn can increase the prize fund for those others grinding it away

Players have been paid appearance fees since the 70’s
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I know you are a massive fan of Rory but to say he is there to boost the event is just wrong.
He is there because it is what is best for him that week.
Whether that be appearance fee,contractually obligated or just suits him we won’t know.
All top players do it and have done it for years but claiming he is there to boost the event you are either kidding yourself or trying to kid others.
For what it’s worth I’m also a big fan of Rory but I won’t defend him or back him in every situation blindly ignoring the obvious.
 
irip said:
I know you are a massive fan of Rory but to say he is there to boost the event is just wrong.
He is there because it is what is best for him that week.
Whether that be appearance fee,contractually obligated or just suits him we won’t know.
All top players do it and have done it for years but claiming he is there to boost the event you are either kidding yourself or trying to kid others.
For what it’s worth I’m also a big fan of Rory but I won’t defend him or back him in every situation blindly ignoring the obvious.
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I will rephrase to clarify what I was meaning

The fact that Rory is there will boost the event , just like it will boost the Aus Open in the winter

He has stated he wants to play more over the world and play in national opens

He will have a huge impact on the sport in those countries

Same with Lowry and Tommy playing there

It’s good to see top players playing in these national opens to help boost the event
 
Klimski said:
Riyadh Golf Club - LIV golf. Rest my case.

And as for those who say a LIV merger and DP world tour would not work because of the format: nobody cares about LIV format. It's all about the money. PIF could invest in the DP World tour instead, drop the LIV product and all the LIV players could get cards to this new World Tour. Not that I am really a fan of allowed the Saudi dollar to buy everything in sight, but...what can you do?!
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Apart from hosting the only floodlit world class golf event in the calendar, what is actually wrong with the course itself?
 
A lot of the courses used for tour events aren’t the most “stunning courses” that will be part of many people’s bucket list - there are the odd one on each tour - Peeble Beach , Valderama , Sand Belt in Aus , Cran Sur etc

But many of them are hosting the events because the course is set up to host Tour events

All the courses in the Middle East look the same sort of set up and certainly not my type of course , same with a lot of the courses on the PGAT

There are a lot more diverse courses on the ET - apart from the potato field that is the Belfry
 
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Arthur Wedge said:
A lot of the courses used for tour events aren’t the most “stunning courses” that will be part of many people’s bucket list - there are the odd one on each tour - Peeble Beach , Valderama , Sand Belt in Aus , Cran Sur etc

But many of them are hosting the events because the course is set up to host Tour events

All the courses in the Middle East look the same sort of set up and certainly not my type of course , same with a lot of the courses on the PGAT

There are a lot more diverse courses on the ET - apart from the potato field that is the Belfry
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I am intrigued by why you think that? Care to elaborate or is it just a grandstanding comment fir effect!
 
Arthur Wedge said:
It’s a poor golf course , it was a potato field years ago and would be better served going back to being one 👍
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Descriptive :rolleyes:, so what makes it a poor course in your opinion. I've played in and it was in great condition and thoroughly enjoyed the course and round. Le Golf National used to be a waste ground but that's an exceptional course. Just describing something as a potato field doesn't mean a lot, a lot of courses used to be nothing more than farmers fields and may out there resemble little more than that now
 
Arthur Wedge said:
I will rephrase to clarify what I was meaning

The fact that Rory is there will boost the event , just like it will boost the Aus Open in the winter

He has stated he wants to play more over the world and play in national opens

He will have a huge impact on the sport in those countries

Same with Lowry and Tommy playing there

It’s good to see top players playing in these national opens to help boost the event
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Not sure if I read it wrong,you typed it wrong or we both got it wrong but having major Ryder cup stars there will boost the event (any event) significantly.

They are doing it for their own benefit if it happens to benefit the event then that’s fine as well
 
Lucifer MorningStar said:
Descriptive :rolleyes:, so what makes it a poor course in your opinion. I've played in and it was in great condition and thoroughly enjoyed the course and round. Le Golf National used to be a waste ground but that's an exceptional course. Just describing something as a potato field doesn't mean a lot, a lot of courses used to be nothing more than farmers fields and may out there resemble little more than that now
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There is not one real stand out hole throughout the whole course , it’s not memorable in anyway , condition wise is always good but layout is just meh

If it didn’t host the Ryder Cup in the past then it would just be your standard pay and play

Anyone visiting the area should just drive past and play Beau instead or go to Little Aston , or Enville , Blackwell , Sutton etc
 
irip said:
Not sure if I read it wrong,you typed it wrong or we both got it wrong but having major Ryder cup stars there will boost the event (any event) significantly.

They are doing it for their own benefit if it happens to benefit the event then that’s fine as well
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Every single person within professional sport will be doing what best suits them and their family at the end of the day , he will be going to India etc because he has decided to go there - and it will make the comp more watchable, the more DP Events the top players play the better imo
 
Arthur Wedge said:
Hence why I was taking about PIF funding DP Tour not LIV joining or merging with the ET

Looking back think something got lost in translation


I look at PIF and LIV as two seperate things

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I think going forward though with PIF tightening the purses strings they may see it more worthwhile looking at the ET being a viable option to be a world leading golf tour and get those top players playing on events all over the world without having to throw around huge contracts , and the players wouldn’t have to worry about ranking points and Ryder Cups etc
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A strong world tour would be nice, but maybe PGAT HQ wouldn't be so keen.
Another option might be for DPWT to go back to being a ET, and work with the Asian tour in some collaborative manner. Won’t happen though
 
BubbaP said:
A strong world tour would be nice, but maybe PGAT HQ wouldn't be so keen.
Another option might be for DPWT to go back to being a ET, and work with the Asian tour in some collaborative manner. Won’t happen though
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Having a strong world tour with the ET , Sunshine and Asian Tour working together would be great - get some big money behind it and attract the top player to events around the world , have needed to get away from everything being based around the US
 
BubbaP said:
Perhaps another example of the entertainment/sponsorship/finance side taking precedence over pure sporting integrity...
www.bbc.co.uk

'Europe's Ryder Cup players get free pass to season-ending DP World Tour play-offs'

The DP World Tour needs Europe's biggest names at next month's season finale so has created a loophole to allow them to be there, writes Iain Carter.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
Am not against it though
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Good article, but like you say they need to find a way to get the big guns in, I’m not against it either.
 
BrianM said:
Good article, but like you say they need to find a way to get the big guns in, I’m not against it either.
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For years the PGAT enticed players from Europe and Asia and SA etc with the big fees and prize money etc

Other tours need to do the same unfortunately

It would be great to see the top European players playing in these events - and it’s a shame that due to weather and climates etc that these events need to be in the Middle East
 
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