Orikoru
Tour Winner
Will they be teeing off with a wood three and playing their approach with a wedge pitching do you think?
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Mel Smooth
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A four par faux pas.....
JonnyGutteridge
Newbie
Anyone else find it absolutely astonishing that they play preferred lies in tournament golf?
I’d like it too, my scores would improve.
I’d like it too, my scores would improve.
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
Been a lot of rain on the course
D-S
Well-known member
No, they'll say metal 3 - which is just as stupid.
slicer79
Challenge Tour Pro
I was there yesterday. Poor weather for a couple of hours. But I didn't ever feel like preferred lies needed to be in place
AussieKB
Well-known member
Just remember that they are Pro's and everything has to be perfect for them......even the so called bunker hazards.
simsini
Well-known member
The 4th with the tee moved forward is only 497 yards for a par 5. Must be the easiest par 5 on tour.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Tommy has work to do.......
Depreston
Club Champion
Don't know why you wouldn’t have preferred lies in all Golf me
Absolutely stupid to have a bad lie on a fairway imo
IanM
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Here's why
Fundamental principle of the game, rightly or wrongly.
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rulie
Head Pro
If you want great lies, play simulator golf. Outside golf, just do as it says in post above.
Golfnut1957
Newbie
Not really. If he wants to, him and his mates can play golf without any rules. Preferred lies anywhere on the course, no stroke and distance just drop one, anything inside 6 feet given, etc, etc.
They just have to revert back to proper, compelling, challenging golf when and if they enter competitions.
woofers
Medal Winner
….and put in General Play cards
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
What’s wrong with preffered lies 
Backache
Assistant Pro
If used for minor course difficulties it takes additional time and reduces variety. If conditions are particularly poor it may speed up play a little and help.Fine if conditions are very poor but not how I get the most enjoyment from golf which is dealing with difficult problems at times rather than always giving a great lie.What’s wrong with preffered lies
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
It is preferred lies only in closely mown areas so all it’s doing is reducing the the mud balls
Miss the fairway and playing as it lies
wjemather
Well-known member
The tours are far too eager to implement free relief when the conditions do not necessitate any, and with fantastically conditioned fairways, preferred lies is almost never the appropriate MLR for the situation they are attempting to address (mud balls).
wjemather
Well-known member
Preferred lies is the wrong MLR for dealing with mud balls.
PL is for more extreme problems with course conditions, as it allows moving the ball to a more favourable position, on tour commonly up to a club length away. As such, it can materially affect the difficulty of the shot faced, especially around the edges of fairways and greens, and should not be implemented unless absolutely necessary.
pendodave
Tour Rookie
We do this in the winter. If you play golf on clay, you're just punishing yourself otherwise.
Pro golf is not a recreational round though. Somehow they've got it into their heads that golf has to be "fair". As they run the tours, that's what they get. It's only 3 of the Majors that ever push back on them. Which is why they're the most compelling.