Professional Golf 2024 & 2025

Starter said:
But what was the multiple of the difference in salaries?

And the LIV players are not spending anymore time apart from their families than if they had remained on the PGA or DP World Tours.
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The difference was significant at the ordinary person on the streets terms especially the one in the Middle East

Well I guess as LIV is more “global” they will be away from their home more than others but all depends on where someone classes as home .

There is a decent amount of people that have turned down the money offered by LIV
 
Marginal utility of money (aka the first million is the important one). Some philosophy...

"Money can't make you happy" is rubbish (sort of). Plenty of good scientific research pretty consistently finds that, no matter what else is going on in your life, more money really does make you happier in a fairly linear one-to-one correlation .... UP UNTIL A POINT.
After that point additional money has pretty much zero effect on your happiness - other factors make all the difference.

Instinctively we know this if we stop to think:
- no matter how fulfilling other things like your family/hobbies/etc are, if you are in perpetual high risk and high anxiety of losing your house and your family having to sleep on the streets you won't be happy.
- conversely, you can only sleep in one bed so would owning a huge house with 28 bedrooms make you significantly happier?

The best instinctive example: someone with £1 billion in the bank will NOT be twice as happy with £2 billion. In fact they will be 0% happier and won't even notice - it's just a number and more money than you can spend in a lifetime.

The inflection point at which more money/income has no effect on happiness is different for every individual. It turns out it's driven by comparison with those around you to a far greater degree than most of us would choose to admit - if you mainly associate with the wealthy then it moves higher. We can speculate then that it would be very high for golfers who mainly hang out lots with other golfers even richer than them.

It's therefore reasonable to speculate that some lower-end LIV golfers may indeed have achieved some small increase in happiness purely in moving from wealthy to very wealthy. For most of the rest, they may have THOUGHT that more money would make them happy but endless studies prove it won't have. Whether they are happier, less happy or about the same playing LIV will depend on lots of other things that we just don't know.

tl;dr
1) if you're a rich golfer then don't move to LIV just because you think more money by definition must be better or will make you happier. - it won't. There is no right or wrong decision (it's your life) but be smart and choose based on other factors.
2) whoever you are - hang out with not just your socioeconomic contemporaries, but lots of different people, especially those a fair bit lower than you in the wealth/income ladder. Science says this can, and in fact will, make you happier!
 
The Squirrel said:
Marginal utility of money (aka the first million is the important one). Some philosophy...

"Money can't make you happy" is rubbish (sort of). Plenty of good scientific research pretty consistently finds that, no matter what else is going on in your life, more money really does make you happier in a fairly linear one-to-one correlation .... UP UNTIL A POINT.
After that point additional money has pretty much zero effect on your happiness - other factors make all the difference.

Instinctively we know this if we stop to think:
- no matter how fulfilling other things like your family/hobbies/etc are, if you are in perpetual high risk and high anxiety of losing your house and your family having to sleep on the streets you won't be happy.
- conversely, you can only sleep in one bed so would owning a huge house with 28 bedrooms make you significantly happier?

The best instinctive example: someone with £1 billion in the bank will NOT be twice as happy with £2 billion. In fact they will be 0% happier and won't even notice - it's just a number and more money than you can spend in a lifetime.

The inflection point at which more money/income has no effect on happiness is different for every individual. It turns out it's driven by comparison with those around you to a far greater degree than most of us would choose to admit - if you mainly associate with the wealthy then it moves higher. We can speculate then that it would be very high for golfers who mainly hang out lots with other golfers even richer than them.

It's therefore reasonable to speculate that some lower-end LIV golfers may indeed have achieved some small increase in happiness purely in moving from wealthy to very wealthy. For most of the rest, they may have THOUGHT that more money would make them happy but endless studies prove it won't have. Whether they are happier, less happy or about the same playing LIV will depend on lots of other things that we just don't know.

tl;dr
1) if you're a rich golfer then don't move to LIV just because you think more money by definition must be better or will make you happier. - it won't. There is no right or wrong decision (it's your life) but be smart and choose based on other factors.
2) whoever you are - hang out with not just your socioeconomic contemporaries, but lots of different people, especially those a fair bit lower than you in the wealth/income ladder. Science says this can, and in fact will, make you happier!
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Great post
 
Starter said:
But nobody, including LIV golfers, is being asked to do their job in Saudi.

The tour visits the kingdom once a year and for example DP World Tour visits countries with equally suspect human rights records several times.
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Hang on, let's not start talking about human rights records... we're already straying off topic ;)

I referenced Saudi because because you mentioned football, and the Saudi league is a great example of people facing a choice of more money vs lifestyle, development etc. I could get a job there and double my salary (at least), nothing to do with football or LIV. It's not for me, there are other things more important than money, but I don't begrudge someone who chooses the cash.

I understand why some people chose the LIV cash, Kaymer was totally honest and you have to respect the decision. Just don't pretend it's all about growing the game.
 
sunshine said:
Hang on, let's not start talking about human rights records... we're already straying off topic ;)

I referenced Saudi because because you mentioned football, and the Saudi league is a great example of people facing a choice of more money vs lifestyle, development etc. I could get a job there and double my salary (at least), nothing to do with football or LIV. It's not for me, there are other things more important than money, but I don't begrudge someone who chooses the cash.

I understand why some people chose the LIV cash, Kaymer was totally honest and you have to respect the decision. Just don't pretend it's all about growing the game.
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But they are growing the game…
 
Mel Smooth said:
But they are growing the game…
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People often miss that part in their own bias toward it. I didn’t get to go as I was working the weekend that the JCB event was on but know plenty of people that did and non golfers to that went because there was bits for the family to do and get involved with learning the game.

Yea there’s a lot of money involved but as a family entertainment package it looks pretty good and provided I’m not working I’ll be taking my family along to enjoy the extras whilst I enjoy the golf.
 
WorldHandicapSystem said:
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Ok, I asked Grok..... "across all platforms is the number of people viewing golf increasing since the inception of LIV ?"

(You can just scroll to the final sentence for a quick answer)

Since the inception of LIV Golf in 2022, the overall number of people viewing golf across social media platforms like Instagram, TikTok, X, and YouTube has shown signs of increase, particularly in digital and social media engagement, though traditional TV viewership presents a more complex picture. Below is a detailed analysis based on available data, focusing on social media platforms and contrasting with TV ratings to assess whether golf viewership has grown overall.Social Media Viewership GrowthLIV Golf’s entry into the professional golf landscape has coincided with a significant increase in social media engagement, driven by its digital-first strategy and appeal to younger audiences. Here’s a platform-by-platform breakdown:
  1. TikTok:
    • LIV Golf’s Impact: LIV Golf has seen remarkable growth on TikTok, with a 406% increase in followers from August 2024 to August 2025, reaching over 1.1 million followers and more than 22 million likes. In 2023, LIV Golf outranked the PGA Tour, DP World Tour, and Ryder Cup in total TikTok video views with 193.6 million views, highlighting its dominance in reaching younger audiences through short, engaging content.
    • Broader Golf Trend: Golf content on TikTok has surged since 2020, fueled by the post-COVID golf boom and influencers like Garrett Clark (
      @garrettj_clark
      , 2.4 million followers) and Tisha Alyn (
      @tisha_alyn
      , 1.3 million followers). Accounts like “Back Nines Matter” and “GolfTok” have also gained traction, with individual posts garnering millions of views (e.g., Bonawitz’s video with 9.2 million views). This suggests a broader increase in golf-related viewership on TikTok, partially amplified by LIV’s trendy, music-infused content.
  2. YouTube:
    • LIV Golf’s Performance: LIV Golf’s YouTube channel has grown steadily, with 382,000 subscribers and 77.8 million total views as of March 2025, gaining 4,000 subscribers and 1.07 million views in the prior 30 days. Its global reach is notable, with 3.51 million views for the 2022 debut event on YouTube and LIV Golf+. The “Duels” series, featuring influencers like Rick Shiels, and player-driven content from stars like Bryson DeChambeau have boosted engagement.
    • Broader Golf Trend: YouTube golf content has exploded, with channels like Good Good Golf (1.48 million subscribers) outpacing the PGA Tour’s channel (1.38 million subscribers) in engagement, averaging 545,000 views and 717 engagements per video compared to the PGA Tour’s 85,000 views and 34 engagements. The 2024 Good Good Open drew 1.5 million weekly views, surpassing LIV’s early 2022 viewership (e.g., 94,000 for Round 1 of the first event). This indicates a rising tide of golf viewership on YouTube, with LIV contributing through influencer partnerships and player content.
  3. Instagram:
    • LIV Golf’s Impact: LIV Golf’s Instagram presence has grown as part of its 80% overall social media follower increase, with content described as “spectacular” and competitive with the PGA Tour’s. Posts featuring high-end graphics, event highlights, and player personalities have driven engagement, though exact follower counts for 2025 are not specified. Early 2022 posts generated nearly 60,000 views with a following of under 170,000, suggesting strong interaction rates.
    • Broader Golf Trend: Golf influencers like Paige Spiranac (3.9 million followers) and Fat Perez (Bob Does Sports) have significantly boosted golf’s Instagram visibility, with Spiranac outpacing even Tiger Woods (3.3 million followers). LIV’s partnerships with influencers like Rick Shiels and players like Troy Mullins enhance its reach, contributing to a broader increase in golf-related Instagram engagement.
  4. X:
    • LIV Golf’s Impact: LIV Golf’s X account actively posts real-time updates and engaging content, contributing to its 2.3 million total social media followers by the end of its second season. Posts about events like LIV Golf Adelaide (102,000 attendees) and Indianapolis (nearly 60,000 attendees) have driven online interactions, with positive sentiment from users like
      @MyGolfSpy
      noting LIV’s “insane” in-person turnout and digital appeal.
    • Broader Golf Trend: X posts reflect growing interest in golf content, with users praising authentic YouTube and influencer-driven posts over traditional broadcasts. While specific interaction metrics are less detailed, the platform’s real-time nature amplifies golf discussions, particularly around LIV events and controversies, suggesting increased engagement since LIV’s inception.
Traditional TV Viewership TrendsWhile social media viewership has grown, traditional TV ratings for professional golf, including both LIV Golf and the PGA Tour, have faced challenges, complicating the overall viewership picture:
  • LIV Golf TV Ratings: LIV Golf’s TV viewership has been modest compared to its social media success. In 2025, U.S. TV ratings averaged around 286,000 viewers on Sundays across The CW, with a peak of 484,000 for an April event and 344,000 for LIV Chicago. Earlier events, like the 2025 Riyadh opener, drew only 12,000 viewers for the first round on FS2. Globally, LIV’s debut event in 2022 attracted 3.51 million viewers on YouTube and LIV Golf+, but U.S. TV numbers remain low compared to the PGA Tour.
  • PGA Tour TV Ratings: The PGA Tour maintains a significant lead, with 3.1 million average viewers for major events and 506,000 for cable lead-ins, compared to LIV’s 101,000 on FS1/FS2. However, PGA Tour ratings have declined, with the 2024 Players Championship drawing fewer viewers than in 2023, and the 2024 Procore Championship averaging only 69,000 viewers, a sharp drop from the prior year. This reflects broader fan fatigue and competition from other sports like the NFL.
  • Broader Trends: Golf’s TV audience skews older (50+), with NBC Sports reporting 2.7 million average viewers for 2025 final rounds but a median viewer age of 50–64. Younger fans (18–34), who make up 57% of golf’s core audience, prefer digital platforms, contributing to declining TV ratings for both tours. LIV’s 71% 18–34 audience aligns better with this shift, but its TV struggles limit its overall viewership impact.
Overall Golf Viewership Since LIV’s Inception
  • Social Media Surge: The data clearly shows a significant increase in golf viewership on social media platforms since LIV Golf’s inception in 2022. LIV’s 80% follower growth, 406% TikTok surge, and partnerships with influencers like Rick Shiels have amplified golf’s digital presence. The broader golf influencer ecosystem (e.g., Good Good Golf, Paige Spiranac) has also driven millions of views and engagements, with TikTok and YouTube leading the charge. This growth is fueled by the post-COVID golf boom, with participation up 6% in 2021 (30 million rounds), attracting younger, digitally savvy fans.
  • TV View Patronage Decline: Despite social media gains, professional golf’s TV viewership has declined overall, with LIV Golf struggling to attract significant U.S. audiences (e.g., 89,000 for the 2024 LIV Championship) and the PGA Tour facing drops in non-major events. This suggests that while LIV has boosted digital engagement, it hasn’t translated to traditional TV viewership, and the PGA Tour’s TV dominance is waning due to fan fatigue and competition.
  • Net Effect: The explosion of social media viewership, particularly among 18–34-year-olds, likely outweighs TV declines in terms of total golf viewership. LIV’s focus on bite-sized, engaging content and the rise of golf influencers have expanded the sport’s digital audience, especially on TikTok and YouTube, where golf content is thriving. While exact total viewership numbers (TV + digital) are hard to quantify, the massive growth in social media interactions suggests more people are engaging with golf online than before LIV’s inception.
Factors Driving the Trend
  • LIV’s Digital Strategy: LIV’s team-based, music-infused format and partnerships with influencers like Rick Shiels and players like DeChambeau cater to younger, mobile-first audiences, boosting social media engagement.
  • Post-COVID Golf Boom: Increased participation (30 million rounds in 2021) has expanded the golf audience, particularly among younger players who prefer social media over TV.
  • Influencer Culture: The rise of YouTube and TikTok golf influencers has made the sport more accessible and exciting, driving viewership beyond traditional broadcasts.
Challenges and Considerations
  • TV vs. Digital Divide: While social media viewership is growing, TV ratings for both LIV and PGA Tour are down, suggesting a shift in how golf is consumed rather than a universal increase in viewership. Older fans prefer TV, while younger fans dominate digital platforms, creating a fragmented audience.
  • LIV’s Controversies: Some fans’ resistance to LIV’s format and funding may limit its TV audience, but its social media success indicates it’s capturing a new demographic.
  • Data Limitations: Exact viewership numbers combining TV and social media are unavailable, but social media’s rapid growth, especially LIV’s TikTok and YouTube performance, strongly suggests an overall increase in golf engagement.
Conclusion
Since LIV Golf’s inception in 2022, golf viewership across social media platforms like Instagram, TikTok, X, and YouTube has significantly increased, driven by LIV’s digital-first strategy, influencer partnerships, and the broader golf influencer ecosystem. LIV’s 80% social media follower growth, 406% TikTok increase, and YouTube engagement, alongside influencers like Good Good Golf, indicate a surge in digital viewership, particularly among 18–34-year-olds. However, traditional TV viewership for both LIV and the PGA Tour has declined, with LIV averaging far fewer viewers than the PGA Tour. Despite TV struggles, the explosive growth of social media engagement, fueled by LIV’s innovative approach and the post-COVID golf boom, suggests that the total number of people viewing golf across all platforms has likely increased since 2022, with a notable shift toward digital consumption.
 
sunshine said:
I understand why some people chose the LIV cash, Kaymer was totally honest and you have to respect the decision. Just don't pretend it's all about growing the game.
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Absolutely agree.

I am neither anti nor pro LIV but I do respect the right of players to ply their trade wherever they choose.

The fact that it is backed by Saudi money is not an issue to me. If it is OK to buy their oil and gas, and sell them arms and aircraft I see no reason why professional sportsmen and women should be singled out.

But please don't tell me that it has anything to do with growing the game.

For the Saudis it is all about PR and for the players it is the money and control of their own destiny.

I have no issue with either of those.
 
Mel Smooth said:
Ok, I asked Grok..... "across all platforms is the number of people viewing golf increasing since the inception of LIV ?"

(You can just scroll to the final sentence for a quick answer)

Since the inception of LIV Golf in 2022, the overall number of people viewing golf across social media platforms like Instagram, TikTok, X, and YouTube has shown signs of increase, particularly in digital and social media engagement, though traditional TV viewership presents a more complex picture. Below is a detailed analysis based on available data, focusing on social media platforms and contrasting with TV ratings to assess whether golf viewership has grown overall.Social Media Viewership GrowthLIV Golf’s entry into the professional golf landscape has coincided with a significant increase in social media engagement, driven by its digital-first strategy and appeal to younger audiences. Here’s a platform-by-platform breakdown:
  1. TikTok:
    • LIV Golf’s Impact: LIV Golf has seen remarkable growth on TikTok, with a 406% increase in followers from August 2024 to August 2025, reaching over 1.1 million followers and more than 22 million likes. In 2023, LIV Golf outranked the PGA Tour, DP World Tour, and Ryder Cup in total TikTok video views with 193.6 million views, highlighting its dominance in reaching younger audiences through short, engaging content.
    • Broader Golf Trend: Golf content on TikTok has surged since 2020, fueled by the post-COVID golf boom and influencers like Garrett Clark (
      @garrettj_clark
      , 2.4 million followers) and Tisha Alyn (
      @tisha_alyn
      , 1.3 million followers). Accounts like “Back Nines Matter” and “GolfTok” have also gained traction, with individual posts garnering millions of views (e.g., Bonawitz’s video with 9.2 million views). This suggests a broader increase in golf-related viewership on TikTok, partially amplified by LIV’s trendy, music-infused content.
  2. YouTube:
    • LIV Golf’s Performance: LIV Golf’s YouTube channel has grown steadily, with 382,000 subscribers and 77.8 million total views as of March 2025, gaining 4,000 subscribers and 1.07 million views in the prior 30 days. Its global reach is notable, with 3.51 million views for the 2022 debut event on YouTube and LIV Golf+. The “Duels” series, featuring influencers like Rick Shiels, and player-driven content from stars like Bryson DeChambeau have boosted engagement.
    • Broader Golf Trend: YouTube golf content has exploded, with channels like Good Good Golf (1.48 million subscribers) outpacing the PGA Tour’s channel (1.38 million subscribers) in engagement, averaging 545,000 views and 717 engagements per video compared to the PGA Tour’s 85,000 views and 34 engagements. The 2024 Good Good Open drew 1.5 million weekly views, surpassing LIV’s early 2022 viewership (e.g., 94,000 for Round 1 of the first event). This indicates a rising tide of golf viewership on YouTube, with LIV contributing through influencer partnerships and player content.
  3. Instagram:
    • LIV Golf’s Impact: LIV Golf’s Instagram presence has grown as part of its 80% overall social media follower increase, with content described as “spectacular” and competitive with the PGA Tour’s. Posts featuring high-end graphics, event highlights, and player personalities have driven engagement, though exact follower counts for 2025 are not specified. Early 2022 posts generated nearly 60,000 views with a following of under 170,000, suggesting strong interaction rates.
    • Broader Golf Trend: Golf influencers like Paige Spiranac (3.9 million followers) and Fat Perez (Bob Does Sports) have significantly boosted golf’s Instagram visibility, with Spiranac outpacing even Tiger Woods (3.3 million followers). LIV’s partnerships with influencers like Rick Shiels and players like Troy Mullins enhance its reach, contributing to a broader increase in golf-related Instagram engagement.
  4. X:
    • LIV Golf’s Impact: LIV Golf’s X account actively posts real-time updates and engaging content, contributing to its 2.3 million total social media followers by the end of its second season. Posts about events like LIV Golf Adelaide (102,000 attendees) and Indianapolis (nearly 60,000 attendees) have driven online interactions, with positive sentiment from users like
      @MyGolfSpy
      noting LIV’s “insane” in-person turnout and digital appeal.
    • Broader Golf Trend: X posts reflect growing interest in golf content, with users praising authentic YouTube and influencer-driven posts over traditional broadcasts. While specific interaction metrics are less detailed, the platform’s real-time nature amplifies golf discussions, particularly around LIV events and controversies, suggesting increased engagement since LIV’s inception.
Traditional TV Viewership TrendsWhile social media viewership has grown, traditional TV ratings for professional golf, including both LIV Golf and the PGA Tour, have faced challenges, complicating the overall viewership picture:
  • LIV Golf TV Ratings: LIV Golf’s TV viewership has been modest compared to its social media success. In 2025, U.S. TV ratings averaged around 286,000 viewers on Sundays across The CW, with a peak of 484,000 for an April event and 344,000 for LIV Chicago. Earlier events, like the 2025 Riyadh opener, drew only 12,000 viewers for the first round on FS2. Globally, LIV’s debut event in 2022 attracted 3.51 million viewers on YouTube and LIV Golf+, but U.S. TV numbers remain low compared to the PGA Tour.
  • PGA Tour TV Ratings: The PGA Tour maintains a significant lead, with 3.1 million average viewers for major events and 506,000 for cable lead-ins, compared to LIV’s 101,000 on FS1/FS2. However, PGA Tour ratings have declined, with the 2024 Players Championship drawing fewer viewers than in 2023, and the 2024 Procore Championship averaging only 69,000 viewers, a sharp drop from the prior year. This reflects broader fan fatigue and competition from other sports like the NFL.
  • Broader Trends: Golf’s TV audience skews older (50+), with NBC Sports reporting 2.7 million average viewers for 2025 final rounds but a median viewer age of 50–64. Younger fans (18–34), who make up 57% of golf’s core audience, prefer digital platforms, contributing to declining TV ratings for both tours. LIV’s 71% 18–34 audience aligns better with this shift, but its TV struggles limit its overall viewership impact.
Overall Golf Viewership Since LIV’s Inception
  • Social Media Surge: The data clearly shows a significant increase in golf viewership on social media platforms since LIV Golf’s inception in 2022. LIV’s 80% follower growth, 406% TikTok surge, and partnerships with influencers like Rick Shiels have amplified golf’s digital presence. The broader golf influencer ecosystem (e.g., Good Good Golf, Paige Spiranac) has also driven millions of views and engagements, with TikTok and YouTube leading the charge. This growth is fueled by the post-COVID golf boom, with participation up 6% in 2021 (30 million rounds), attracting younger, digitally savvy fans.
  • TV View Patronage Decline: Despite social media gains, professional golf’s TV viewership has declined overall, with LIV Golf struggling to attract significant U.S. audiences (e.g., 89,000 for the 2024 LIV Championship) and the PGA Tour facing drops in non-major events. This suggests that while LIV has boosted digital engagement, it hasn’t translated to traditional TV viewership, and the PGA Tour’s TV dominance is waning due to fan fatigue and competition.
  • Net Effect: The explosion of social media viewership, particularly among 18–34-year-olds, likely outweighs TV declines in terms of total golf viewership. LIV’s focus on bite-sized, engaging content and the rise of golf influencers have expanded the sport’s digital audience, especially on TikTok and YouTube, where golf content is thriving. While exact total viewership numbers (TV + digital) are hard to quantify, the massive growth in social media interactions suggests more people are engaging with golf online than before LIV’s inception.
Factors Driving the Trend
  • LIV’s Digital Strategy: LIV’s team-based, music-infused format and partnerships with influencers like Rick Shiels and players like DeChambeau cater to younger, mobile-first audiences, boosting social media engagement.
  • Post-COVID Golf Boom: Increased participation (30 million rounds in 2021) has expanded the golf audience, particularly among younger players who prefer social media over TV.
  • Influencer Culture: The rise of YouTube and TikTok golf influencers has made the sport more accessible and exciting, driving viewership beyond traditional broadcasts.
Challenges and Considerations
  • TV vs. Digital Divide: While social media viewership is growing, TV ratings for both LIV and PGA Tour are down, suggesting a shift in how golf is consumed rather than a universal increase in viewership. Older fans prefer TV, while younger fans dominate digital platforms, creating a fragmented audience.
  • LIV’s Controversies: Some fans’ resistance to LIV’s format and funding may limit its TV audience, but its social media success indicates it’s capturing a new demographic.
  • Data Limitations: Exact viewership numbers combining TV and social media are unavailable, but social media’s rapid growth, especially LIV’s TikTok and YouTube performance, strongly suggests an overall increase in golf engagement.
Conclusion
Since LIV Golf’s inception in 2022, golf viewership across social media platforms like Instagram, TikTok, X, and YouTube has significantly increased, driven by LIV’s digital-first strategy, influencer partnerships, and the broader golf influencer ecosystem. LIV’s 80% social media follower growth, 406% TikTok increase, and YouTube engagement, alongside influencers like Good Good Golf, indicate a surge in digital viewership, particularly among 18–34-year-olds. However, traditional TV viewership for both LIV and the PGA Tour has declined, with LIV averaging far fewer viewers than the PGA Tour. Despite TV struggles, the explosive growth of social media engagement, fueled by LIV’s innovative approach and the post-COVID golf boom, suggests that the total number of people viewing golf across all platforms has likely increased since 2022, with a notable shift toward digital consumption.
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First up Tik Tok and social media growth whilst means it’s reaching a wider audience it does pretty much naff all to growing the game and getting more people playing it just means it looks a bit cooler than the normal golf most youngsters associate with boring old men types true growth is about what are they doing to get people actually out play! See response below for part 2 and about that actual fact!
Arthur Wedge said:
It’s a statement that’s thrown around by a number

But how are they or indeed any tour “growing the game” ?

When it comes to growing the game that’s normally the domain of a club pro or clubs that look to attract people to the sport
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What do the tours do

PGAT: Drive, chip, putt initiative getting youngsters out in the course of mini competitions making golf fun and not about just playing 18 holes.

DPWT: Second life container, giving away used balls to local community projects providing them with practice balls.

Balls for birdies again providing balls to local Pro’s to use in the community.

G4D (Golf For the disabled)lead sponsor allowing more people with disabilities to participate in the game

LIV: Little Sticks junior academies aimed at getting young kids into playing in a fun way,

Family entertainment and interactive experiences for families at events meaning it’s not just golfers but a full immersive experience at the events,

Community programmes and events held in the build up to tournament week and junior academies all in the local areas Local areas.

So in essence they all do a little bit to grow the game, but ultimately it’ll come down to long term marketability of the tours and what they offer. There’s no winner in these argument for and against Liv it’s just something different and time people stopped trying to beat each other with the mines better than yours bat and just accept it for what it’s is that little something different we can choose to watch or not 👍
 
Lucifer MorningStar said:
First up Tik Tok and social media growth whilst means it’s reaching a wider audience it does pretty much naff all to growing the game and getting more people playing it just means it looks a bit cooler than the normal golf most youngsters associate with boring old men types true growth is about what are they doing to get people actually out play! See response below for part 2 and about that actual fact!

What do the tours do

PGAT: Drive, chip, putt initiative getting youngsters out in the course of mini competitions making golf fun and not about just playing 18 holes.

DPWT: Second life container, giving away used balls to local community projects providing them with practice balls.

Balls for birdies again providing balls to local Pro’s to use in the community.

G4D (Golf For the disabled)lead sponsor allowing more people with disabilities to participate in the game

LIV: Little Sticks junior academies aimed at getting young kids into playing in a fun way,

Family entertainment and interactive experiences for families at events meaning it’s not just golfers but a full immersive experience at the events,

Community programmes and events held in the build up to tournament week and junior academies all in the local areas Local areas.

So in essence they all do a little bit to grow the game, but ultimately it’ll come down to long term marketability of the tours and what they offer. There’s no winner in these argument for and against Liv it’s just something different and time people stopped trying to beat each other with the mines better than yours bat and just accept it for what it’s is that little something different we can choose to watch or not 👍
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The growing the game just gets thrown around too easy - it was the same with the TGL stuff

The game is grown at grass roots , golfers that are building academy’s , going into schools , clubs offering free sessions and finding ways to keep people interested in the sport

That’s where the game is grown as opposed to yours fighting over air space and throwing millions around

If the main tours took 10% off the top level prizes and gave them to academy’s and golf schemes around the world , build courses to allow kids etc to play that will be growing the game for me
 
Comparing the average working person with elite sports stars is completely futile.

I didn’t dream of working in a bank when I was a kid, so of course if another bank offered me 5 times more money to work for them I’d go. It would be a life changing amount of money and one bank is the same as the other.

I did grow up wanting to be a footballer. If I was earning 2 million quid a year playing in the premier league, had the chance of winning the fa cup, the league or even the champions league, that would be the thing that motivated me, it’s more money than I could ever have imagined earning doing something I love.

If a club from a crap league (say Saudi for arguments sake) came in and offered me 10 million quid, but I’d be playing with awful players, competing in competitions I’ve never heard of or that have no meaning, there’s not a chance I’d go.

I can remember when the whole LIV thing kicked off and poulter said something along the lines of being able to provide financial security for generations and generations of his family, despite already owning several super cars, mansions each side of the pond and already rich beyond our wildest dreams. That just didn’t sit right with me.
 
Folks, I may be wide of the mark here, but my belief always was that the purpose of this thread was primarily to discuss goings on on both the DP World Tour and the PGA Tour, along with maybe the Ryder Cup and other events.

If you want to start a debate about growing the game, or anything else which is going to necessitate posts so long that few, if any, will read them, kindly start another thread in which those with an interest in such matters can immerse themselves.

I’ve had a couple of PM’s about the recent direction the thread has taken. Frankly, I have neither the time nor inclination to wade through the last half dozen or so posts. But having skim read them it’s apparent that they have strayed significantly from the intended purpose of this thread.

Let’s try and stay on topic please.
 
timd77 said:
Comparing the average working person with elite sports stars is completely futile.

I didn’t dream of working in a bank when I was a kid, so of course if another bank offered me 5 times more money to work for them I’d go. It would be a life changing amount of money and one bank is the same as the other.

I did grow up wanting to be a footballer. If I was earning 2 million quid a year playing in the premier league, had the chance of winning the fa cup, the league or even the champions league, that would be the thing that motivated me, it’s more money than I could ever have imagined earning doing something I love.

If a club from a crap league (say Saudi for arguments sake) came in and offered me 10 million quid, but I’d be playing with awful players, competing in competitions I’ve never heard of or that have no meaning, there’s not a chance I’d go.

I can remember when the whole LIV thing kicked off and poulter said something along the lines of being able to provide financial security for generations and generations of his family, despite already owning several super cars, mansions each side of the pond and already rich beyond our wildest dreams. That just didn’t sit right with me.
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Easy to say that you wouldn't be tempted when talking about a completely hypothetical situation.

The majority of LIV golfers fell into two categories.

Those that could see that their best earning years were probably behind them and those who realised they were never going to challenge for the very top honours.

For those two groups it would be an easier decision.

Obviously there were some notable exceptions such as BDC, Rahm, Hatton and Niemann for whom there would be other considerations.
 
Billysboots said:
One of my favourite viewing events of the year. And when we looked last year at the cost of playing there, it was surprisingly reasonable.

Sadly, I’ll bet the post round beer is £20 a pint.
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Seems a bit mad that half the year they are skiing all over the course

It’s just stunning to look at

€180 for the most expensive green fees is very reasonable
 
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