NearHull
Well-known member
I think Tommy lost it on his approach to 16. I’m not sure why he went long, but his shoulders went down after that shot. It is great to see Rosey winning, he does seem to play welll in the big events.
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LincolnShep
Head Pro
Yep. He's absolute granite!
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Tommy needs a mind coach.......
And if he's already got one he needs a new one.
It's entirely mental....it's obvious that he has the game...
And if he's already got one he needs a new one.
It's entirely mental....it's obvious that he has the game...
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
He is going to be the Faldo of the team this year
sunshine
Well-known member
Cracking win for Rosey. Brilliant golf and nerves of steel in the play off 
JJ Spaun showing he will be a force in the Ryder Cup. He's come a long way this season. At the Players he looked overwhelmed and out of his depth in the play off. A few months later, with the confidence boost of a major champion, he looked composed and determined.
And Tommy, groundhog day. I think it was the poor chip on 16 over the green which did it for him. I know he scrambled to save par, but the other contenders made birdie. A good chip and a good birdie attempt (even if he missed the putt), and I reckon he finishes par, par and wins the tournament.
JJ Spaun showing he will be a force in the Ryder Cup. He's come a long way this season. At the Players he looked overwhelmed and out of his depth in the play off. A few months later, with the confidence boost of a major champion, he looked composed and determined.
And Tommy, groundhog day. I think it was the poor chip on 16 over the green which did it for him. I know he scrambled to save par, but the other contenders made birdie. A good chip and a good birdie attempt (even if he missed the putt), and I reckon he finishes par, par and wins the tournament.
sunshine
Well-known member
You've obviously never watched him before 
I can only see Tommy winning in 2 scenarios:
1. Tough course like a US Open where everyone is shooting over par. Tommy comes through the pack with a great round on Sunday and sets the clubhouse lead, then the leaders all make bogeys and fall away down the stretch.
2. Tommy builds up a massive lead over the first 3 days. More than 4 shots, probably needs to be 8. Then he can trip over himself on the back 9 but still stumble to a 1 shot win with a 4 putt on 18.
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Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
He will get there
He is too good a player to not win over there
The Squirrel
Well-known member
Cracking win for Rosey. Brilliant golf and nerves of steel in the play off
JJ Spaun showing he will be a force in the Ryder Cup. He's come a long way this season. At the Players he looked overwhelmed and out of his depth in the play off. A few months later, with the confidence boost of a major champion, he looked composed and determined.
And Tommy, groundhog day. I think it was the poor chip on 16 over the green which did it for him. I know he scrambled to save par, but the other contenders made birdie. A good chip and a good birdie attempt (even if he missed the putt), and I reckon he finishes par, par and wins the tournament.
It's something about hitting the front and then entering this hyper-cautious indecisive mode. For me the rot started on 14 - which was just at the point he hit a 2 shot lead. Tricky pin hidden by water on right side of green - nobody's saying take dead aim but he took such a cautious approach that he didn't even hit the green - it was left fairway - and he's under pressure every shot of the round from there. Centre of the (deep wide) green would have been quite safe enough. After that there was also loads of club indecision when the rest of the week you don't see any.
Armchair psychologist in me thinks he mentally switches from "try and beat this hole" to "don't make a mistake" when he hits the lead, and the dominant thought in his mind then reduces down to "mistake" ... which is exactly what then happens.
sunshine
Well-known member
Agreed. But it seems to be the short game where he gets twitchy.
JonnyGutteridge
Newbie
I feel bad for Tommy and like Rory with his Masters win, I’d get a lot of joy from watching him finally win, but feel (like Rory) he only really has himself to blame. -2 over the weekend is unlikely to win you many PGA Tour events. At elite levels, you have to go out there and win it.
Other weekend scores:
Spaun -10
Scheffler -8
Rose -6
Other weekend scores:
Spaun -10
Scheffler -8
Rose -6
evemccc
Well-known member
I don’t watch non-major, general ‘tour’ golf but I think my opinion on this has changed..
He’s won plenty on the European Tour and has a decent enough Ryder Cup record - every golfer seems to say the pressure ramps up so much more in the RC….so the choker label doesn’t exactly wash…if it did he would not have achieved success in the RC and European Tour
Why would a standard PGA Tour tournament phase him? I just think he didn’t execute the right shot at the right moment…
He’s won plenty on the European Tour and has a decent enough Ryder Cup record - every golfer seems to say the pressure ramps up so much more in the RC….so the choker label doesn’t exactly wash…if it did he would not have achieved success in the RC and European Tour
Why would a standard PGA Tour tournament phase him? I just think he didn’t execute the right shot at the right moment…
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
I don’t watch non-major, general ‘tour’ golf but I think my opinion on this has changed..
He’s won plenty on the European Tour and has a decent enough Ryder Cup record - every golfer seems to say the pressure ramps up so much more in the RC….so the choker label doesn’t exactly wash…if it did he would not have achieved success in the RC and European Tour
Why would a standard PGA Tour tournament phase him? I just think he didn’t execute the right shot at the right moment…
Think that about sums it up
He had shown he can perform under immense pressure - that shot in the last Ryder Cup where he drove the green was outstanding
Just at times it’s poor shot execution
He will get there imo
evemccc
Well-known member
Fleetwood is the golfer I’d most like to win a major / the Open…but I just don’t think his ceiling is as high as Rose, Rahm, Scheffler, Rory, DJ etc
He’s an unbelievable golfer who’s done incredibly well and has a family and has financial security many times over…hats off to him.
But he’s not the ‘best of the best’ IMO, and that is why he’s not won a major
Mel Smooth
Hacker
Lol.
Lucifer MorningStar
Well-known member
I’m not so sure! People said Monty was to good not to win a major and look how that panned out.
I’m not saying it won’t, because I’d love to see him do it but the more he keeps losing out this way the harder it’s going to get.
pendodave
Tour Rookie
I don't have any stats to prove it, but I think a significant number of majors are won by a decent pga pro on a great week, not "the best of the best". Spaun and Harmin spring to mind immediately from the last couple of years. Their key skill is that they then hold on down the stretch. Tommy is undoubtedly as good as them by pretty much any measure... except on a Sunday afternoon.
nickjdavis
Head Pro
Dunno who the American commentators are doing the BMW on SkySports, but they couldnt be further up Schefflers arse if they tried.
Lucifer MorningStar
Well-known member
Was thinking the same thing. What Scheffler has done in recent years is nothing short of amazing but the way they fawn and keep bragging about his $23m bonus he’ll get before teeing off at East Lake almost feels like they’re belittling any achievement the actual winner will get is embarrassing.
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Will make a change from Sky's constant fawning over McIlroy.
Backache
Assistant Pro
TV commentators call the best golfers in the world good shock.