Professional Golf 2024 & 2025

Lucifer MorningStar said:
Not sure how you figure that out as his ban was only for 12months after he went to LIV , he’s spent this year on DPWT and is now entitled to play PGAT without restriction as his suspension has been served and then some.
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It was a sarcastic response to Cleveland stating that the PGAT won't accept LIV players back.

To be fair, Canter should have been given a permanent spot with the Majesticks when he stood in for Horsfield. Given he's tried and failed to get back on LIV since I'd imagine he's now looking forward to seeing how he can get on over on the PGAT.
 
Arthur Wedge said:
So previously before player’s looked to qualify into the PGAT via multiple events etc

Now a pathway has been created that’s flowed down to allow more spots opened up for the Challenge Tour

If you reduce the pathway into the PGAT then you reduce the pathway from the Challenge Tour into the ET - there is always a knock on affect if you close a door
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Don't you also reduce the OWGR points on ET as the field strength has weakened ?. I think its still based on 2yrs cycle, so in that time 20 of the best of the rest (highest ranked) ET players will miss most of the standard ET events while they take up pgat standard events instead (raising that tour field strength in a double whammy) & making it harder for a challenge tour player to progress
 
Slab said:
Don't you also reduce the OWGR points on ET as the field strength has weakened ?. I think its still based on 2yrs cycle, so in that time 20 of the best of the rest (highest ranked) ET players will miss most of the standard ET events while they take up pgat standard events instead (raising that tour field strength in a double whammy) & making it harder for a challenge tour player to progress
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Looking at the OWGR on offer over the last 3 seasons they seem to have have increased across the events on the DP Tour

And around half the players who have got a PGAT card this year have come up through the Challenge Tour in recent years , so the players are progressing
 
Arthur Wedge said:
Looking at the OWGR on offer over the last 3 seasons they seem to have have increased across the events on the DP Tour

And around half the players who have got a PGAT card this year have come up through the Challenge Tour in recent years , so the players are progressing
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I suppose you could take what I wrote, ignore it, add in a bunch of ET elevated events that the 10-20 (& others) come back for, then look at season and then present it as a counter to a point I didn’t even make then... yeah I’m with you (y)
 
Slab said:
I suppose you could take what I wrote, ignore it, add in a bunch of ET elevated events that the 10-20 (& others) come back for, then look at season and then present it as a counter to a point I didn’t even make then... yeah I’m with you (y)
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Or I could go onto the OWGR website and look at the rankings for every single ET event and see that having a turnover of players hasn’t any detrimental affect on ranking points

take the KLM Open as an example - that’s the standard ET event you are talking about

2023 - 103 WR points
2025 - 122 WR points

You can have a look at most of the standard ET events and see the increase across most of them

As for the other point on increasing the PGAT points - the level of points coming from the players from the ET is very insignificant and has next to zero affect on those standard PGAT events and certainly no more than KFT graduates

And your final point about making it harder for challenge tour graduates to progress - the last two season as seen a number of them progress and into majors as well

I guess that’s better than removing the spots from them if the spots going to the PGAT were taken away

It’s almost as if those in charge have looked at it as a way to increase the throughput on the tour , keep the players fresh , bring funding in and there is a bright future for the tour
 
Mad to think that Stenson is gonna be one of the big draws for a quite a few DPWT events if he plays in them. He led the field in fairways hit last year, and was 5th in GIR. His putting was atrocious though (Ave 1.71), and is the reason he lost his place on LIV. If he gets the putter working something like, he'll challenge on plenty of European Tour events.
 
Depreston said:
He’s missed q school so how will that work? Invites?
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As mentioned above he has exemption based on his status so no need to worry about qualifying.

Mel Smooth said:
Mad to think that Stenson is gonna be one of the big draws for a quite a few DPWT events if he plays in them. He led the field in fairways hit last year, and was 5th in GIR. His putting was atrocious though, and is the reason he lost his place on LIV. If he gets the putter working something like, he'll challenge on plenty of European Tour events.
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He will be a big draw for a lot people that have followed him over the years. I like him and his ball striking is superb hopefully he’ll do well make some coin and price to people he’s not past it.
 
Mel Smooth said:
Mad to think that Stenson is gonna be one of the big draws for a quite a few DPWT events if he plays in them. He led the field in fairways hit last year, and was 5th in GIR. His putting was atrocious though (Ave 1.71), and is the reason he lost his place on LIV. If he gets the putter working something like, he'll challenge on plenty of European Tour events.
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He maybe a name but he is a player that’s not won on a major tour since 2017 , was outside the world 200 and if he didn’t have the exemption would prob struggle to qualify - he won’t get near challenging and one more year and he might be able to challenge with the likes of Scott Hend and Jamie Donaldson on the legends tour

Will prob get some extra eyes on him but even then he was never really a consistent European star
 
cleveland52 said:
Henrik Stenson will be 50 years old. The DPWT is weaker than I think if he challenges the young guys.
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Phil Mickelson won the USPGA at 50years old. Was that Major weaker or the field drawn from the PGAT, DPWT and other tours weaker. Or did just the best golfer that week regardless of his age win the event.
 
cleveland52 said:
Henrik Stenson will be 50 years old. The DPWT is weaker than I think if he challenges the young guys.
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Don’t think the age is what’s stopping him , he was a great golfer in his early years , then a dry spell with his issue he than had a period where he was outstanding until he won The Open - then after that his results dropped off. He will have the odd top ten etc potentially but I can’t see him winning on ET .
 
Arthur Wedge said:
Or I could go onto the OWGR website and look at the rankings for every single ET event and see that having a turnover of players hasn’t any detrimental affect on ranking points

take the KLM Open as an example - that’s the standard ET event you are talking about

2023 - 103 WR points
2025 - 122 WR points

You can have a look at most of the standard ET events and see the increase across most of them

As for the other point on increasing the PGAT points - the level of points coming from the players from the ET is very insignificant and has next to zero affect on those standard PGAT events and certainly no more than KFT graduates

And your final point about making it harder for challenge tour graduates to progress - the last two season as seen a number of them progress and into majors as well

I guess that’s better than removing the spots from them if the spots going to the PGAT were taken away

It’s almost as if those in charge have looked at it as a way to increase the throughput on the tour , keep the players fresh , bring funding in and there is a bright future for the tour
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I see the appeal in isolating one event but it comes with risk that variables could skew the picture. The KLM has moved around the calendar year to year so where it sits in relation to other events will fit diff players on diff years when building schedule, might also need to consider what event its up against on pgat that week which also differs year to year and I don’t know how it works but does that also affect OWGR weighting/field rating if it’s a stronger/weaker pgat field? I admit I dunno

I see the KLM actually dropped in filed rating ever so slightly from 2023 to 2024 but that’s not in your post, only the increase the following year (which is cool for those playing in 2025 but not so much for those playing last year)
 
Slab said:
I see the appeal in isolating one event but it comes with risk that variables could skew the picture. The KLM has moved around the calendar year to year so where it sits in relation to other events will fit diff players on diff years when building schedule, might also need to consider what event its up against on pgat that week which also differs year to year and I don’t know how it works but does that also affect OWGR weighting/field rating if it’s a stronger/weaker pgat field? I admit I dunno

I see the KLM actually dropped in filed rating ever so slightly from 2023 to 2024 but that’s not in your post, only the increase the following year (which is cool for those playing in 2025 but not so much for those playing last year)
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You can look at all the events and see they fluctuate

Pick any event on any tour and see the results rankings change

Have always had an issue with the rankings and that imo is different conversation and something that should change

But ten players being offered a PGAT has had very little if any affect on either tours , there are lots of positives for offering the cards and the collaboration with PGAT has helped the tour , if they don’t collaborate with the biggest tour in the sport then it goes downhill quick
 
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