clubchamp98
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Most players prob think this but a bit silly saying it out loud!
Orikoru
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They've used the word 'jokes' in the headline, but I'm not sure what made them decide it was a joke. He basically said he will try and earn his team a penalty either way. Personally it doesn't bother me but some people (especially in here) will be outraged by him saying it.
4LEX
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Wenger left the club in a huge mess.
The Ox ran his contract down jumped and ship, Ramsey ran his contract down and the only world class performer (Sanchez 2013-2016) they had in the last 5 years did the same and was offloaded in a terrible swap deal. Meanwhile Ozil who is a 1 in 3 luxury player got offered a new deal that unbalanced the wages. He's done more on Twitter than on the pitch in the last two years
He left the club with a defence that bordered on a joke, a weak and lightweight midfield and the only two players of note were both strikers which posed a selection and formation problem. It was a mess!
I don't think Emery is the greatest manager by any means but who are Arsenal going to get to do a better job? They have a buget dwarfed by City and Utd. Even Liverpool and Spurs spend more these days.
Arsenal moved to the new stadium to compete with the likes of Man Utd (at the time), Real, Barca and Bayern. Yet the gap is further than ever and that's down to Wenger's last 10 years. His outlook was pretty football, Top 4 and making money to claim a moral highground. That's still the attitude running through the club.
The Ox ran his contract down jumped and ship, Ramsey ran his contract down and the only world class performer (Sanchez 2013-2016) they had in the last 5 years did the same and was offloaded in a terrible swap deal. Meanwhile Ozil who is a 1 in 3 luxury player got offered a new deal that unbalanced the wages. He's done more on Twitter than on the pitch in the last two years
He left the club with a defence that bordered on a joke, a weak and lightweight midfield and the only two players of note were both strikers which posed a selection and formation problem. It was a mess!
I don't think Emery is the greatest manager by any means but who are Arsenal going to get to do a better job? They have a buget dwarfed by City and Utd. Even Liverpool and Spurs spend more these days.
Arsenal moved to the new stadium to compete with the likes of Man Utd (at the time), Real, Barca and Bayern. Yet the gap is further than ever and that's down to Wenger's last 10 years. His outlook was pretty football, Top 4 and making money to claim a moral highground. That's still the attitude running through the club.
clubchamp98
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Well one will.
Rlburnside
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I found it strange that when Greenwood scored a very well taken goal he ambeled off as if he just scored in a practice game and not in a European game at Old Trafford.
United playing well, the number 20 Sulmah looks a decent player.
United playing well, the number 20 Sulmah looks a decent player.
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Slime
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All three strikers on the score sheet.
Greenwood's goal, well taken.
Martial's goal, superb solo effort.
Rashford's goal, a thing of rare beauty.
Oh, and another clean sheet! The only team not to concede a goal in the competition.
Greenwood's goal, well taken.
Martial's goal, superb solo effort.
Rashford's goal, a thing of rare beauty.
Oh, and another clean sheet! The only team not to concede a goal in the competition.
sawtooth
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I think Wenger was ( imo) a season or two from having another great side and he left the club in a infinitely better place than it was before he got there.
Emery is Spanish, language and communication will no doubt be a hindrance early on but will get better over time. He never managed in England before. English football is different to Spanish and it’s different again to French. There will be a period of adjustment and that’s pretty obvious.
It would be a mistake to change him this early.
sawtooth
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Well after the fantastically high standards set by Wenger 22 years it shouldn’t be a surprise that the club may decline a bit before picking up again.
I said it several times that getting a team into the top 4 is not easy and should not be taken for granted.
If it wasn’t for Wenger you would be happy with the current situation. I believe you expect the next manager to be as good or better than Wenger - immediately.
Thats pretty unrealistic and unfair to Emery.
Sean , nearly every post is Wenger, Wenger, Wenger. He's gone. Whatever reason he went for is not even yesterday's news. Whatever team he had when he left is (almost) gone.
Football is results driven, not history driven. History is good to look back on, providing there's good history. Go back far enough and there's good history but that has no bearing on now - drop the Wenger, Wenger, Wenger. Its pointless and irrelevant to today's results and performances.
11 games in and in 5th place. Not bad, or is it? 6 points adrift of 4th is only 2 games... catchable. But 9 goals less in the 'goals for' column, and a goal difference of 7 less. 5th place but not really competing for 4th, more staying ahead of the teams behind. Arsenal are trending down, not up. 11 games in isn't really enough time to confirm how the season will pan out but is 4th is achievable? Only if Chelsea slip up, and they're trending up, not down.
Bazz
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1 point away from the knock out stages of the Europa League 
Couldn't have imagined this on the day we were relegated for the second season in a row, into league one.
Couldn't have imagined this on the day we were relegated for the second season in a row, into league one.
It would appear even the Wenger star is waning https://www.skysports.com/football/...ut-of-race-to-become-bayern-munich-head-coach
I agree that Arsenal are definitely on a downward trend and the signs for me as a neutral aren't encouraging. I do think a lot of the problems in terms of team selection and tactics which have times have looked confused (even to the players) is down to Emery. He has 18 months and so should have had a solid base on which to build upon in place by now and that simply doesn't seem to be the case
I agree that Arsenal are definitely on a downward trend and the signs for me as a neutral aren't encouraging. I do think a lot of the problems in terms of team selection and tactics which have times have looked confused (even to the players) is down to Emery. He has 18 months and so should have had a solid base on which to build upon in place by now and that simply doesn't seem to be the case
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In 18 months - Klopp took over a team that had finished 8th the season before , was around 10th in the league , to two cup finals and into the top 4 , he also had a net transfer spend off around £13 mill profit
In an 18th month period
Emery has take a team that was 6th to 5th gained 7 more points , right now they are sat in 5th also got to one cup final and has spent approx just under £200mil
The fans are paying the most expensive tickets in the league
So are they getting value for their money ?
has Emery moved the club forward when you consider the amount he has spent ?
Has he built a solid foundation for the future ?
Is there a structure or a plan
Listening to most Arsenal fans it would seem that the answer to those questions is no
The club hung on with Wenger for too long - everyone could see he was taking the club backwards
And it’s clear to most that Emery isn’t the man to take the club forwards - he is treading water at best
Wolf
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Wow, you really do have some Wenger rose tinted specs on. Yes he set high standards in the first half of his career with us, however the last 10 years of his tenure were not fantasticly high standards at all, many a time just creeping into 4th spot and acting as a manager that just balanced the books, letting the squad get very bare in quality at times, even tactically he got to a point where he couldn't see past 1 style of play that was often negated by even the smallest teams as it became predictable.
Then to say he was a year or 2 away again from a great season, no he really wasn't, because as our squad stood still the likes of Liverpool, City, Chelsea and even Spurs went past us in quality of players signed and football played.
As for Emery 18mths is enough time to put into place his personality, style and ideas for what the team should be looking to do, however time and again players are played in wrong position, formation changes, the players are confused by what is expected and over playing the balls they're not sure what the manager wants. Not to mention the debacle of the 5 (now4) captains set up. Then there's the unrest in the dressing room at his method's.
The club need a man to come in sit the players down and accurately tell them what is expected of them and how he plans to get them there, Emery isnt the man for that job. The club is trending badly downwards, as that continues to happen attracting players will be harder and we're not in a fight for top 4, we're just keeping our head afloat in the race for 5th/6th but that could get worse as this style continues. I don't want a Mourinho or someone like that, I'd rather a fresh approach with a manager that is willing to mix it up and build on what's there already and stamp a style on the squad that is recognisable beyond the confusion we have.
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fundy
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I see the troll is still keeping everyone occupied lol
I saw a stat earlier, "Arsenal have now faced 60 shots this Europa League season, fewer only than FC Astana, FK Krasnodar and Dudelange"
In the premier league the stat I expect is even worse (Ill look it up in a bit)
If this is progress then Im out!!!!
I saw a stat earlier, "Arsenal have now faced 60 shots this Europa League season, fewer only than FC Astana, FK Krasnodar and Dudelange"
In the premier league the stat I expect is even worse (Ill look it up in a bit)
If this is progress then Im out!!!!
fundy
Ryder Cup Winner
Arsenal are currently having 12.9 and conceding 16.2 shots per game in the premier league
Compare that to:
Leicester 13.7/10
Chelsea 16.5/9.3
Man U 13.9/10.1
Spurs 12.1/14.9
the only positive in these numbers is spurs are nearly as bad as we are lol
Even with a top class striker and a very good shot stopper, you just cant succeed continually giving up more chances than you create!!!
By the way, as it will be asked, the current bar is:
Man City 21.8/6.9
Liverpool 17/9
Compare that to:
Leicester 13.7/10
Chelsea 16.5/9.3
Man U 13.9/10.1
Spurs 12.1/14.9
the only positive in these numbers is spurs are nearly as bad as we are lol
Even with a top class striker and a very good shot stopper, you just cant succeed continually giving up more chances than you create!!!
By the way, as it will be asked, the current bar is:
Man City 21.8/6.9
Liverpool 17/9
Liverbirdie
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I dont always like it when people just mention the current downsides/negatives, but think you've actually got it spot on here.
I'd say of most of the top 10 arsenal are currently the side with the least "identity".
sawtooth
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Hey that’s not true I haven’t mentioned Wenger for ages!
And yes of course 4th is achievable. In my lifetime I’ve seen 12 points deficit made up in the last few months of a season before .
I’m pretty sure that we can make 6 points up with so much of the season ahead of us.
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sawtooth
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yeah but it took Klopp 3 years to win something at Liverpool and he still hasn’t won anything domestically.
2nd, 3rd, 4th in the league is that really what you call success? I think not.
fundy
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describe one of our current midfielders roles? (and i dont mean water carrying for Ozil
) they dont appear to have a clue what position they play or what theyre role is
