Premier League 2019-2020 we’re off

[paddyc]

Didnt see the gooners but just watched the 5 mins of highlights on you tube and that was depressing. arent this 2nd rate portugese team near the bottom. we had a decent team out on paper and still played crap. worrying sign.
# EmeryOut

 

[HomerJSimpson]

You may as well get behind Emery because hes here to he end of the season at least.

Not 100% convinced about that. Lose to Leicester and drop down the table and an early Europa league knockout exit and things will look bleak especially if the style of play is still poor. It really does look as an outsider, and one who wants any English club to do well in Europe as though there is no cohesive game plan. Add in the fact he doesn't seem to know his strongest PL side and the way they've played has lacked conviction and players seem to be lost or not have the heart for a tough season ahead

 

[Fish]

I must have a very low bar set for acceptable results but 1-1 away to that opponent seems a good result to me.

😜😂😂

 

[sawtooth]

Not 100% convinced about that. Lose to Leicester and drop down the table and an early Europa league knockout exit and things will look bleak especially if the style of play is still poor. It really does look as an outsider, and one who wants any English club to do well in Europe as though there is no cohesive game plan. Add in the fact he doesn't seem to know his strongest PL side and the way they've played has lacked conviction and players seem to be lost or not have the heart for a tough season ahead

The moaners got their way with Wenger I cant see the Arsenal board caving in for a second time.

Its not Man U.

 

[USER1999]

The moaners got their way with Wenger I cant see the Arsenal board caving in for a second time.

Its not Man U.

There is no shame in admitting an appointment is not working, esp one made by an ex employee, Gazidis, who was an absolute fraud.

Emery will be fine, he will move on to a new job, and the World will keep ticking along.

His tenure at Arsenal needs to be over. He hasn't got the ability to turn this around now. 18 months is a long time with no discernable improvement. The only reason he is still there, is that the board is clueless as to what to do next.

Hopefully not following Utd, and appointing a Mourinho or a Van Gaal.

They need a manager with a dream, a vision, the sauce to carry it out, and get the players to buy into it. That isn't easy, but they are out there.

Stop looking at what is available, and look at ripping a manager out from a team who do nit want to let him go.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The moaners got their way with Wenger I cant see the Arsenal board caving in for a second time.

Its not Man U.

Do you really think Wenger should have stayed on ?

It looks like your level of expectations drop each season - Emery is clearly not the right manage for Arsenal and they should have learned for hanging onto Wenger for too long

Because they didn’t let Wenger when it was clear he had reached the end they missed out on getting someone like Klopp , right now someone like Allegri is available and some other very good young managers like Naglesmann - if they don’t act quickly then they will miss out again

Arsenal are very close to dropping out of the top 6 and just being a mid table team for the forseable future

 

[sawtooth]

There is no shame in admitting an appointment is not working, esp one made by an ex employee, Gazidis, who was an absolute fraud.

Emery will be fine, he will move on to a new job, and the World will keep ticking along.

His tenure at Arsenal needs to be over. He hasn't got the ability to turn this around now. 18 months is a long time with no discernable improvement. The only reason he is still there, is that the board is clueless as to what to do next.

Hopefully not following Utd, and appointing a Mourinho or a Van Gaal.

They need a manager with a dream, a vision, the sauce to carry it out, and get the players to buy into it. That isn't easy, but they are out there.

Stop looking at what is available, and look at ripping a manager out from a team who do nit want to let him go.

So did Wenger leave Arsenal in a total mess? If so surely it takes a new man a lot of time (more than 18 mths) and with more of his own players , style , philosophy, tactics, etc, to change things?

Or did you think that Wenger left the team close to being a great side again? With only minor tweaking required?

You cant have it both ways Murph, which is it?

 

[Wolf]

So did Wenger leave Arsenal in a total mess? If so surely it takes a new man a lot of time (more than 18 mths) and with more of his own players , style , philosophy, tactics, etc, to change things?

Or did you think that Wenger left the team close to being a great side again? With only minor tweaking required?

You cant have it both ways Murph, which is it?

Doesn't matter which way it is, 18mths is still enough time to get the players at your disposal playing in a way that befits the team including the signings you make. Yet every week we have different formations, players playing out of position and a dressing room that has severe unrest.

There is no shame in the board admitting they made a bad decision with employing Emery. Better to cut losses before matters get worse and go for someine fresh that actually had a philosophy on how he wants the team to work together and for the club.

In case you hadn't realised football is a results business but the way it's going we'll be luck to even make a Europa league spot and currently are not going into the Leicester game as the supposed better team that we should be. Unless you're happy with mediocrity

 

[sawtooth]

Doesn't matter which way it is, 18mths is still enough time to get the players at your disposal playing in a way that befits the team including the signings you make. Yet every week we have different formations, players playing out of position and a dressing room that has severe unrest.

There is no shame in the board admitting they made a bad decision with employing Emery. Better to cut losses before matters get worse and go for someine fresh that actually had a philosophy on how he wants the team to work together and for the club.

In case you hadn't realised football is a results business but the way it's going we'll be luck to even make a Europa league spot and currently are not going into the Leicester game as the supposed better team that we should be. Unless you're happy with mediocrity

We are in a period of transition and a certain degree of patience is required.

I would be happy to give Emery a maximum of 18 months from now to prove his worth.

He may yet turn out to be a very good choice we just don’t know.

 

[Wolf]

We are in a period of transition and a certain degree of patience is required.

I would be happy to give Emery a maximum of 18 months from now to prove his worth.

He may yet turn out to be a very good choice we just don’t know.

No we are not in a period of transformation, we are in a downward spiral as the man at helm doesn't have a clue what his best side is, beat formation and he can't even get players playing in the right position.

You may be happy to give him 18mths, but he already has issues in the dressing room, we will only go further backwards backwards. Most fans aren't willing to sit and hope it turns out OK and if it doesn't we're in a worse position and will find it harder to recruit quality...

Make the move now for someone that has a vision and can get the players to buy his philosophy

 

[USER1999]

So 18 months from now he will have had 3 years. Way too long. If he can't get a team looking like it knows where it is going, what it is doing, in 18 months, he should be gone.

I am not even thinking about winning stuff. Just looking like we might have a style of play that might become something.

We used to win the league. I get that you (Sean) think we can't compete against money, and you are wrong, but currently we can't compete against the 5th best team in Portugal.

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Oi

The name calling stops here please

Not a request

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Ederson goes off at half time as a precaution, hopefully it’s just Pep and his mind games...

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Son scores for Spurs.... twice.

Definitely looks like he's back on the horse. For what it's worth I think he was absolutely and genuinely distraught by the incident at the weekend and his part in it and of course the terrible outcome. I thought it was perhaps a big call from the manager to play him tonight given the events but clearly he has got over it and a good nights work for Spurs

 

[clubchamp98]

Ederson goes off at half time as a precaution, hopefully it’s just Pep and his mind games...

Can’t understand tha Atalanta player there he was past Bravo why not just score.
Walker in goal may answer the question.
He left his foot there that was a questionable red.imo.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

What was Bravo thinking. The City defence definitely look less confidence ahead of him than with Ederson in goal and what does that do to the City defence and Pep's tactics for the game at the weekend. Farcical by UEFA in the whole red card and sub board that followed

 

[sawtooth]

So 18 months from now he will have had 3 years. Way too long. If he can't get a team looking like it knows where it is going, what it is doing, in 18 months, he should be gone.

I am not even thinking about winning stuff. Just looking like we might have a style of play that might become something.

We used to win the league. I get that you (Sean) think we can't compete against money, and you are wrong, but currently we can't compete against the 5th best team in Portugal.

Well if we played that team in Portugal 38 times we would win 25, that’s how it works. On a one off of course they can snatch a draw or even win.

You can’t see past the end of your nose, need to step back and look at the big picture. Give the man some time and see what he can do that’s all I’m saying.

 

[Orikoru]

I must have a very low bar set for acceptable results but 1-1 away to that opponent seems a good result to me.

Hahahaha! That is absolute gold.

 

[USER1999]

Well if we played that team in Portugal 38 times we would win 25, that’s how it works. On a one off of course they can snatch a draw or even win.

You can’t see past the end of your nose, need to step back and look at the big picture. Give the man some time and see what he can do that’s all I’m saying.

The problem I am having is that I can see way past the end of my nose. Commercial revenue is falling, players don't want new contracts, results are appalling, the manager appears clueless, the board and owners do not appear to have any sort of long term plan, and unless this is turned around pdq I can see mid table mediocrity coming for a very very long time.

This is a football club heavily in decline.

 

[ColchesterFC]

So did Wenger leave Arsenal in a total mess? If so surely it takes a new man a lot of time (more than 18 mths) and with more of his own players , style , philosophy, tactics, etc, to change things?

Or did you think that Wenger left the team close to being a great side again? With only minor tweaking required?

You cant have it both ways Murph, which is it?

But that also applies to you too. You kept banging on about what a great job Wenger was doing and that he should stay and that you were a decent team. If so then 18 months is more than enough time for a new manager to sort things out.

You were happy with Wenger as your manager so obviously thought he was doing well. Or did he actually leave the team in a mess and that's why it's taking Emery so long to sort things out?

You can't have it both ways Sawtooth, which is it?