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[Orikoru]

Explaining Atkinson's decision, the Premier League said: "The red card for Son was for endangering the safety of a player, which happened as a consequence of his initial challenge."

I've said it three times now, but they've literally just made that up as part of the recent culture of defending the refs no matter how many mistakes they make. I've looked through the laws of the game, and it's not there, honest. Nowhere does it say the ref can change his mind on a challenge just because the player unfortunately got injured after it. They were wrong to release that statement just as Atkinson was wrong to give the red card.

As we've said, if that challenge endangers the safety of the player, then 95% of sliding challenges endanger the safety of the player, and you're effectively talking about removing slide tackles from the game altogether.

 

[Orikoru]

But as far as I am aware there is no Law of Football that states the outcome rather than the nature of the foul should determine the punishment.

It all rather smacks of the matchday referee panicking and making an emotional decision when he saw the extent of Gomes' injury.

Subsequently the authorities have come to his rescue.

Exactly. It was an emotive kneejerk reaction from Atkinson, which wasn't called for. The FA always back their refs first, ask questions later.

 

[sam85]

Explaining Atkinson's decision, the Premier League said: "The red card for Son was for endangering the safety of a player, which happened as a consequence of his initial challenge."

This is the bit I just can't get my head around. Every single tackle in any game of football could potentially endanger the safety of an opponent. If red card's are now given out because of how injured a player is because of this opens up a whole can of worms. Players spend far too long rolling around on the floor as it is, if you can now get the opposition sent off for injuring you then I can only see this getting worse.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

As we've said, if that challenge endangers the safety of the player, then 95% of sliding challenges endanger the safety of the player, and you're effectively talking about removing slide tackles from the game altogether.

To be fair, a sliding tackle virtually guarantees a red card nowadays. They are classed as being out of control so unless you take the ball cleanly and leave the attacked untouched they are best avoided. Sliding tackles are for the history books now.

 

[Orikoru]

To be fair, a sliding tackle virtually guarantees a red card nowadays. They are classed as being out of control so unless you take the ball cleanly and leave the attacked untouched they are best avoided. Sliding tackles are for the history books now.

We do seem to be slowly moving towards that way, but I don't think we're there yet. Slide tackles facing the player head-on are all but gone because it's near impossible to stop your studs following through. But a slide tackle from the side that trips the player is still fine if you win the ball, and a yellow if you don't. Or a red if you don't and he would have been through on goal (but outside the box.. since inside is yellow + penalty nowadays).

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I think all the above is a much fairer review. I could see how if he (ref) felt the break occurred when Son connected that a red was warranted.
Of course if var had looked then it would quickly have shown what had occurred.

I just think the ref changing his mind and then the statement after the fact is where the refs have got it wrong.

VAR may of reviewed it and agreed, they only overturn if they believe there’s been a serious error.
So one could assume they did review it on sunday and agreed.

 

[Papas1982]

VAR may of reviewed it and agreed, they only overturn if they believe there’s been a serious error.
So one could assume they did review it on sunday and agreed.

Not sure that makes it any better with most of our current opinions of far are taken into account😂😂

 

[Deleted member 16999]

We're getting sidetracked anyway to be honest. Even if Son deliberately seeked out Gomes and deliberately tripped him up, the actual tackle that he made is STILL only a yellow card offence. It's really that simple. The ban should be overturned.

Sidetracked because people disagree with you!

 

[Lord Tyrion]

We do seem to be slowly moving towards that way, but I don't think we're there yet. Slide tackles facing the player head-on are all but gone because it's near impossible to stop your studs following through. But a slide tackle from the side that trips the player is still fine if you win the ball, and a yellow if you don't. Or a red if you don't and he would have been through on goal (but outside the box.. since inside is yellow + penalty nowadays).

They are such a gamble that I would be emphasising players to avoid doing them, whether defender or midfielder. It used to be you were okay if you got the ball but the old 'clearing out a player' is no longer allowed. If someone worked out the stats relating to number of slide tackles done and number resulting in cards I would say the odds were very much against them now. In theory still okay, but a high risk move.

 

[Orikoru]

Found this interesting - since pauldj was so keen to hear the word of a Premier League referee.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/10273479/son-not-sent-off-andre-gomes-var-red-card/

With emotions running high, Atkinson then issued a red card on the basis of his human response. ​

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We do not know if VAR official Anthony Taylor got involved but the cold technology could have helped Atkinson.​

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Son has been red carded for the unfortunate consequences of what happened next, not for the foul itself.​

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So I have to ask the question, since when did the laws of the game say the outcome of a foul dictates the appropriate disciplinary action? It’s not in the laws of the game.​

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It’s a wrongful dismissal for Son and if VAR had got involved, I believe the South Korean would not have been sent off. ​

 

[Orikoru]

Sidetracked because people disagree with you!

Don't be obtuse. Sidetracked because people started debating whether Son is that sort of player, and whether he sought Gomes out deliberately or not, when in fact neither of those points are remotely relevant to what colour the card is - which is what we were talking about. In fact it's not a matter of opinion, it's black and white in the laws of the game that the challenge he made is a yellow card. Now whether you think the rules of the game should be changed in matters like this is another matter.

 

[Papas1982]

One thing I would say. Surely the appeal is pointless.

The fa have basically backed the ref with their statement. Can’t see them throwing him under the bus now.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I've said it three times now, but they've literally just made that up as part of the recent culture of defending the refs no matter how many mistakes they make. I've looked through the laws of the game, and it's not there, honest. Nowhere does it say the ref can change his mind on a challenge just because the player unfortunately got injured after it. They were wrong to release that statement just as Atkinson was wrong to give the red card.

As we've said, if that challenge endangers the safety of the player, then 95% of sliding challenges endanger the safety of the player, and you're effectively talking about removing slide tackles from the game altogether.

You keep making out about that “challenge” you may of said something 3 times but this wasn’t a normal anything, it may of been exactly what Shaka Hislop stated, a deliberate attempt to leave something on him, it’s a deliberate tackle on the player, absolutely no intention of playing the ball, should we not be trying to stop these happening incase the 1 in a million injury occurs rather than trying to make excuses for them.

 

[Orikoru]

One thing I would say. Surely the appeal is pointless.

The fa have basically backed the ref with their statement. Can’t see them throwing him under the bus now.

Well we have to appeal because the decision was so clearly wrong, and we're now without the player for three games. However I fear you might be right - they've nailed their colours to the mast and will probably stand by the ref even though he was blatantly in the wrong.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Not sure that makes it any better with most of our current opinions of far are taken into account😂😂

Just the smart ar5e comments about “what if we had technology” etc

 

[Orikoru]

You keep making out about that “challenge” you may of said something 3 times but this wasn’t a normal anything, it may of been exactly what Shaka Hislop stated, a deliberate attempt to leave something on him, it’s a deliberate tackle on the player, absolutely no intention of playing the ball, should we not be trying to stop these happening incase the 1 in a million injury occurs rather than trying to make excuses for them.

It's not excuses, I'm going by the laws of the game. If you want to talk about stamping it out of the game, then yeah fine, but then the laws will need to be changed, because currently they say it's a yellow card. That's all I've said all along.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

You keep making out about that “challenge” you may of said something 3 times but this wasn’t a normal anything, it may of been exactly what Shaka Hislop stated, a deliberate attempt to leave something on him, it’s a deliberate tackle on the player, absolutely no intention of playing the ball, should we not be trying to stop these happening incase the 1 in a million injury occurs rather than trying to make excuses for them.

As an ex-goalkeeper I am not sure how reliable Hislop's opinion is in this case.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

We do seem to be slowly moving towards that way, but I don't think we're there yet. Slide tackles facing the player head-on are all but gone because it's near impossible to stop your studs following through. But a slide tackle from the side that trips the player is still fine if you win the ball, and a yellow if you don't. Or a red if you don't and he would have been through on goal (but outside the box.. since inside is yellow + penalty nowadays).

You missed out what Son did, a slide tackle from behind with no intention and no chance of playing the ball just taking the man out!

Because even you can’t claim he went for the ball!

 

[Deleted member 16999]

As an ex-goalkeeper I am not sure how reliable Hislop's opinion is in this case.

He’ll know the minds of professionals and we also had the statement that every pundit claimed the Red was wrong.

 

[clubchamp98]

We can debate this until the cows come home.
But for me the law needs changing to “ professional foul with no intention of playing the ball should be red.”
A genuine attempt for the ball is fine ,but can’t stand players who deliberately foul someone from behind.

Let’s not forget these players are running at speed and it dosnt take much to bring them down at full speed,
Son deserves everything he gets imo ,really piss “deliberate “poor tackle that seriously injured a fellow professional.