Premier League 2019-2020 we’re off

[Deleted member 16999]

Just think about the times you have heard the phrase excessive force used during football, and what they were referring to. I'd be shocked if it was ever somebody tripping someone up with a slide tackle.

You have this annoying habit of putting words in my mouth or trying to second guess what I really mean when I say things. (Or perhaps just twisting my words into something you have an answer to?) Why on earth would you infer that I was victim-blaming Gomes? I only added that to imply the tackle wasn't high or crunching, he just tripped him up - i.e. not excessive force.

You are making statements that come across as factual,
ie, “If his intention was to bring him down, he used exactly the right amount of force - not excessive” how can you say that, you have no knowledge of his intent or the amount of force he actually used. How you can question the intent is incredible, because if he was trying to play the ball his tackle was completely mistimed and out of control
That added to your definition of what excessive force means whilst moaning about the Ref doing something not in the rules.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

FFS you lot take it to messaging it's bloody boring now as it was about five pages ago.

The player is injured after a tackle ,ref spits out the punishment . .get over it .

What exactly are we stopping you from discussing, it’s a forum, nobody is forced to take part.
Get over yourself.

 

[Norrin Radd]

What exactly are we stopping you from discussing, it’s a forum, nobody is forced to take part.
Get over yourself.

If you lot can't sort your little tantrums out in less than fifty bloody million pages of the same shoit that you are all spouting why should I and everyone else have to put up with it .
I really can't see the need to go over the same bollox time after time.

 

[Tashyboy]

You originally quoted a post suggesting that any tackle that endangered the opposition should result in a red card, now you're saying it's a yellow or red for a foul???

So your saying every tackle is endangering a player now. I dont think so.

 

[Tashyboy]

I can't remember when that term, professional foul, was first used, I think the 80's at a guess. Somehow it seems to justify and sanitise a deliberate foul. It should be called what it is, not dressed up as something acceptable.

I agree with you, a deliberate foul with no intention to play the ball should be a red.

Which I totally agree with and like Klinsman perfected the professional dive. Pep has perfected the professional foul yet when it leads to injuries that have happened it's ok. If that had been fernandinho that did that. Wonder who would be the first to say " it was only a matter of time".

 

[Orikoru]

You are making statements that come across as factual,
ie, “If his intention was to bring him down, he used exactly the right amount of force - not excessive” how can you say that, you have no knowledge of his intent or the amount of force he actually used. How you can question the intent is incredible, because if he was trying to play the ball his tackle was completely mistimed and out of control
That added to your definition of what excessive force means whilst moaning about the Ref doing something not in the rules.

I haven't questioned intent really, I am saying intent is irrelevant to the law. If intended to bring him down, he succeeded, and I don't believe he used excessive force because he used just enough force to bring him down, from watching it several times - so that's a yellow card. If on the other hand he was trying to win the ball, it was extremely late, a foul, and - you guessed it - a yellow card. All roads point to yellow card.

The video of the tackle is still on Twitter, I implore you to watch it again and just focus on the impact - he just barely catches his foot and trips him up. To say that might be excessive force is laughable.

Look:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1191056243517001728

He just clips him. How on earth can you say that's excessive force? (Note: don't worry the injury part isn't shown.)

 

[Orikoru]

If you lot can't sort your little tantrums out in less than fifty bloody million pages of the same shoit that you are all spouting why should I and everyone else have to put up with it .
I really can't see the need to go over the same bollox time after time.

You don't have to put up with it, you could always click here instead?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

If you lot can't sort your little tantrums out in less than fifty bloody million pages of the same shoit that you are all spouting why should I and everyone else have to put up with it .
I really can't see the need to go over the same bollox time after time.

Move on, nothing to see here, feel free to put me and anyone else on ignore.
I find your last 2 posts slightly childish.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I haven't questioned intent really, I am saying intent is irrelevant to the law. If intended to bring him down, he succeeded, and I don't believe he used excessive force because he used just enough force to bring him down, from watching it several times - so that's a yellow card. If on the other hand he was trying to win the ball, it was extremely late, a foul, and - you guessed it - a yellow card. All roads point to yellow card.

The video of the tackle is still on Twitter, I implore you to watch it again and just focus on the impact - he just barely catches his foot and trips him up. To say that might be excessive force is laughable.

Look:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1191056243517001728

He just clips him. How on earth can you say that's excessive force? (Note: don't worry the injury part isn't shown.)

I’ve seen it plenty and from different angles, how many times has contact and force been discussed on here and what it takes for a player to go down, it’s virtually impossible to quantify, so, imo, if that force has caused Gomes to land as he did, regardless of Son’s intent, it’s been too much.

 

[sam85]

So your saying every tackle is endangering a player now. I dont think so.

My point is you can't go round dishing out red cards for endagering a player. There is an element of danger in each and every tackle that is made in football. Changing the colour of cards based on what injuries a player receives sets a dangerous precedent imo.

 

[Orikoru]

I’ve seen it plenty and from different angles, how many times has contact and force been discussed on here and what it takes for a player to go down, it’s virtually impossible to quantify, so, imo, if that force has caused Gomes to land as he did, regardless of Son’s intent, it’s been too much.

come on man, how can that 'cause him to land', gravity causes him to land. He was off balance and the way he landed could have happened on any sliding challenge, foul or fair. It's a little clip on his foot to knock him off balance and bring him down, to try and claim that's excessive force is crazy. It's barely even force let alone excessive force.

 

[MegaSteve]

Shawcross and Taylor were red carded despite both saying no malice or intent was involved in their 'tackles' that saw broken legs for Ramsey and Eduardo... Were the referees, on those occasions, influenced (in their decisions) by the gruesome outcomes?

 

[Orikoru]

Shawcross and Taylor were red carded despite both saying no malice or intent was involved in their 'tackles' that saw broken legs for Ramsey and Eduardo... Were the referees, on those occasions, influenced (in their decisions) by the gruesome outcomes?

You mean the two tackles where direct impact from their studs broke the opposing players' legs!? How on earth are they comparable??

 

[MegaSteve]

You mean the two tackles where direct impact from their studs broke the opposing players' legs!? How on earth are they comparable??

Both players claimed there was no malice or intent which is the basis of your defence of Son...

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Only real solution is to play it on the day it's scheduled for and let the under 21's manager take his side to play it.

I cant see PL postponing a game fora league cup tie.

I was right all along 😉

Liverpool EFL Cup tie with Aston Villa unchanged despite Fifa Club World Cup clash - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50309214

 

[Orikoru]

Both players claimed there was no malice or intent which is the basis of your defence of Son...

They're not similar, they both used excessive force. And if you think that was defence of Son than you didn't read any of it properly. I specifically said intent is irrelevant as not mentioned in the laws.

 

[Orikoru]

I was right all along 😉

That's interesting. Do you think there will be one strong side and one weakened one, or half and half? Will Klopp be able to manage both games or send a member of the coaching staff to manage one?

 

[Deleted member 1740]

That's interesting. Do you think there will be one strong side and one weakened one, or half and half? Will Klopp be able to manage both games or send a member of the coaching staff to manage one?

I think it'll be exactly what I've suggested.

I'd be very very surprised if we see any real 1st team players in the line up.

 

[Norrin Radd]

Move on, nothing to see here, feel free to put me and anyone else on ignore.
I find your last 2 posts slightly childish.

You mean you actually found time to post

Move on, nothing to see here, feel free to put me and anyone else on ignore.
I find your last 2 posts slightly childish.

Well at least there are only two.unlike some people who have posted the same Shiite over and over

 

[Papas1982]

I think it'll be exactly what I've suggested.

I'd be very very surprised if we see any real 1st team players in the line up.

Dya reckon the club will. Charge accordingly for tickets?

Is league Cup heavily reduced already?

Would be good to see the club go real low on ticket prices. Fill anfield and give the young players a night to remember.