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With the way money is talking more and more, dont rule out franchising, the way it happens in the USA.

Read what the Juventus chairman said in the 1980's or 90's when he was getting stick from the fans. He took Juventus on the road, filling stadiums in Milan, Napoli and all over Italy, as their fan base is like United's.

Surely that disproves the very point you were trying to make? That it would happen simply because of new out of town owners?
Imo if a club did that, they would very quickly notice a drop off in support. Unless it's a league decision.
 

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Sorry, I dont get your analogy.

Earlier we discussed Saints heading to Kuwait because of owners? It looked to me like you were saying that franchise football may start because of these new (oil) owners.

Now your mentioning that Juventus went on an out of town tour. I'm not sure of their ownership in the 80/90's, but unless it was an oil baron, surely it shows that owners can and will do what they want. Whether they are big bag oil barons or not. Making your initial point (kuwait) mute.

Anyways, we've done the what era is better discussion before fella. Us youngsters always tend to like the new era ;)

More importantly, does Gomez stay at centre or will Matip come in?
 

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With the way money is talking more and more, dont rule out franchising, the way it happens in the USA.

Read what the Juventus chairman said in the 1980's or 90's when he was getting stick from the fans. He took Juventus on the road, filling stadiums in Milan, Napoli and all over Italy, as their fan base is like United's.

I can remember back in about 1998, we were on holiday in Minorca. I was talking to a guy who said the days of football were massively changing. He was adamant that for Cities like Nottingham, Sheffield, some north west towns. For them to survive. They would have to amalgamate to combine recourses to survive. They would have to combine supporters and ther income to survive. Can anyone honestly tell me that supporters of Sheffield Utd and Wednesday who have spent decades calling one another pigs and despise the very sight of one another now want to sing side by side. There's no chance I will support Oman City.
 

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Pukki in between TAA and Gomez again, and this time he scores. Liverpool’s defending on that right side has been dreadful.
Very good run by striker but I don’t think it’s so much the defence.
Just look how much time and space the lad who played the ball through had, that’s the worry for me.
TAA is not the best defender but think Matip covered him better than Gomez.
 

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Earlier we discussed Saints heading to Kuwait because of owners? It looked to me like you were saying that franchise football may start because of these new (oil) owners.

Now your mentioning that Juventus went on an out of town tour. I'm not sure of their ownership in the 80/90's, but unless it was an oil baron, surely it shows that owners can and will do what they want. Whether they are big bag oil barons or not. Making your initial point (kuwait) mute.

Anyways, we've done the what era is better discussion before fella. Us youngsters always tend to like the new era ;)

More importantly, does Gomez stay at centre or will Matip come in?

My point was that if owners decide they want to up sticks, they may be able to do it more in the future,as money is ruling more and more. I'm not sure if it was the Agnellis who owned them at that time or not (owners of Fiat), but the chairman had had enough of the fans criticism so to show them, he took them on the road to show that he didnt need the local fan base, as Juventus could sell out anywhere in Italy, anyway. The power of the owner can trump anyone/anything, is what I was saying. Ergo, if the Glazers thought, sod this for a laugh, these norwich scarves are doing my nut in, I'm gonna get Man U to play at Wembley instead, away from them whiny locals. :)

I wouldnt rule out a European super league either.

Gomez was the equal of VVD for the start of last season, so overall think he is better than Matip, although to be fair Matip was great towards the end of last season. Healthy rivalry there.
 

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My point was that if owners decide they want to up sticks, they may be able to do it more in the future,as money is ruling more and more. I'm not sure if it was the Agnellis who owned them at that time or not (owners of Fiat), but the chairman had had enough of the fans criticism so to show them, he took them on the road to show that he didnt need the local fan base, as Juventus could sell out anywhere in Italy, anyway. The power of the owner can trump anyone/anything, is what I was saying. Ergo, if the Glazers thought, sod this for a laugh, these norwich scarves are doing my nut in, I'm gonna get Man U to play at Wembley instead, away from them whiny locals. :)

I wouldnt rule out a European super league either.

Gomez was the equal of VVD for the start of last season, so overall think he is better than Matip, although to be fair Matip was great towards the end of last season. Healthy rivalry there.

Ah ok, got ya. Was more about where football in general is heading! (y)

There is a new world comp for clubs to be played in the summer isn't there? I think that's to test the waters.
https://www.sport-english.com/en/ne...o-know-about-fifas-new-club-world-cup-6819749

I think Gomez is the long term aim, maybe it was ring rust, but i thought that during both your games there have been a few holes down that side. Against city you just credit the calibre of the opposition, when its Norwich, maybe you ask a few questions.
 

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I can remember back in about 1998, we were on holiday in Minorca. I was talking to a guy who said the days of football were massively changing. He was adamant that for Cities like Nottingham, Sheffield, some north west towns. For them to survive. They would have to amalgamate to combine recourses to survive. They would have to combine supporters and ther income to survive. Can anyone honestly tell me that supporters of Sheffield Utd and Wednesday who have spent decades calling one another pigs and despise the very sight of one another now want to sing side by side. There's no chance I will support Oman City.

I hope it doesnt happen, but if more clubs go the way of Bury and Bolton, you may get others who may try to amalgamate same city clubs, especially if they felt that both Bristols, both Sheffields could potentially be premiership and maybe even CL stalwarts. Didnt someone try and do it with the Bristols (fnar,fnar) years ago, same with Hibs/Hearts.

Just look at how Doncaster Belles were treated in the women's league.

One club for the east midlands, the south east, Birmingham, North east, Yorkshire, Manchester, Liverpool vs Hampshire United :eek:. 10 teams with 100k stadiums to represemt the "area", in the fizzy pop league.

May not happen in my lifetime, but I would not rule it out.
 

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Ah ok, got ya. Was more about where football in general is heading! (y)

There is a new world comp for clubs to be played in the summer isn't there? I think that's to test the waters.
https://www.sport-english.com/en/ne...o-know-about-fifas-new-club-world-cup-6819749

I think Gomez is the long term aim, maybe it was ring rust, but i thought that during both your games there have been a few holes down that side. Against city you just credit the calibre of the opposition, when its Norwich, maybe you ask a few questions.

TAA struggled towards the end of last season and seemed to be jogging back all the time, or out of position a lot, but he was supposed to be carrying a back injury so thought that may have been it.

I think he needs a rocket at the mo, his offensive play is masking some deep rooted problems with intensity at times, I feel.
 
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Should probably check your facts. Robertson started 36 games last season. The 2 he didn't play were against Cardiff and Burnley. Who started against Cardiff? Moreno. Who started against Burnley? Moreno. So if one of your best and most influential players from last season who was almost ever present gets injured, you're confident that Larouci is good enough to replace him? And you say he looks better than Moreno already - what are you judging that on?

Salah appeared in every game last season. Only played 23 minutes against Burnley but every other game he played over 70 minutes. Mane appeared in 36 games, and Firmino 34. Long-term injuries to any of those 3 or Robertson and you could be in trouble. Carragher is spot on.

Yeah,Moreno was absolute dogshit over 5 seasons, hes lucky he never got bombed out after the Europa League Final performance,I'd rather play stevie wonder LB than Moreno.
 
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My point was that if owners decide they want to up sticks, they may be able to do it more in the future,as money is ruling more and more. I'm not sure if it was the Agnellis who owned them at that time or not (owners of Fiat), but the chairman had had enough of the fans criticism so to show them, he took them on the road to show that he didnt need the local fan base, as Juventus could sell out anywhere in Italy, anyway. The power of the owner can trump anyone/anything, is what I was saying. Ergo, if the Glazers thought, sod this for a laugh, these norwich scarves are doing my nut in, I'm gonna get Man U to play at Wembley instead, away from them whiny locals. :)

I wouldnt rule out a European super league either.

Gomez was the equal of VVD for the start of last season, so overall think he is better than Matip, although to be fair Matip was great towards the end of last season. Healthy rivalry there.

2023-24 is the season a 32 team 4 league UEFA super league/champions league is proposed for. As it stands CIty wouldnt be in it.
 

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I hope it doesnt happen, but if more clubs go the way of Bury and Bolton, you may get others who may try to amalgamate same city clubs, especially if they felt that both Bristols, both Sheffields could potentially be premiership and maybe even CL stalwarts. Didnt someone try and do it with the Bristols (fnar,fnar) years ago, same with Hibs/Hearts.

Just look at how Doncaster Belles were treated in the women's league.

One club for the east midlands, the south east, Birmingham, North east, Yorkshire, Manchester, Liverpool vs Hampshire United :eek:. 10 teams with 100k stadiums to represemt the "area", in the fizzy pop league.

May not happen in my lifetime, but I would not rule it out.

What you've described isn't too dissimilar to what happened to American Football.
 

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I hope it doesnt happen, but if more clubs go the way of Bury and Bolton, you may get others who may try to amalgamate same city clubs, especially if they felt that both Bristols, both Sheffields could potentially be premiership and maybe even CL stalwarts. Didnt someone try and do it with the Bristols (fnar,fnar) years ago, same with Hibs/Hearts.
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I can tell you right now, that will never ever happen.
 

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Didnt take Pep long to teach Rhodri to commit foul after foul without getting booked :)
Am having his name on the back of me shirt. 😁
That aside. Am impressed with west ham. Very impressed, having seen some dire football of late. It looks attractive.
 
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