Premier League 2019-2020 we’re off

[Slime]

Weren’t they all in “Fergie Time” !

BOOOOOM!

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Semantics are small things, but not for the difference in words that you used,

I dont need a history lesson, I live here, dont forget.

You do realise that the main money in the Moores family was Everton's owner, don't you. In that case why wasnt Everton the dominant team in English football between 1960 and 1990?

Did you see Liverpool outspending rivals by 3 times the transfer fees? 1st million pound player - not us, massive rebuilds of the stadium, no still mainly done since Moores left. Signings from Blackpool, Scunthorpe, Motherwell, Ayr United, and many more lesser lights who we were buying from and not other European giants. Wouldnt massive Moores money have kept Keegan, Souness, Rush..........

Proof?

Yes, I do know that John Moores had a shareholding in Everton, he was clearly a football man. I have no problem with that, why would I or any other fan?

Their empire started with the pools, it expanded into clothing. It started with the pools though, it was a clear factor.

It's a dead line of discussion for me, carry on if you want to.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Trying to use hyperbole to make a point? In answer to the question, Yes I would rule it out. The FA couldn’t even get game 39 off the ground, I don’t fear owners relocating teams to other countries. The only real case of that was Wimbledon. A far cry from the nasty oil owners.....

To point 2. I agree it should be a sport. But football now involves vast sums of money. No team can climb to the top without massive outside investment. And this is where it does look like jeolousy or at list bitterness from the teams who’ve got more competition.

If no team was allowed to spend outside their means since the prem formed. Yes I know football was around before then, but that’s when the financial change started. Imo the league would have been as bad as Scotland. It’d and arsenal battling it out, splitting championships. Then arsenal build a stadium and UTD win every year after that such was their financial clout compared to everyone else.

The ordinal point I made pages ago wasn’t that football is better now, or that it should be a business. BUT simply that it IS a business. By all means say you is the good old days, but as a club you either accept it and take on the challenge, or you turn into sawtooth.

We have continued to try and challenge it, mainly been unsuccesful, but unlike Arsenal didnt give up.

Jealous of Arsenal and Unites success since prem started - bang on, Chelsea and city's - nope. Thats the difference.

Anyway, I'm late.

Best of for the season, lar.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Yes, I do know that John Moores had a shareholding in Everton, he was clearly a football man. I have no problem with that, why would I or any other fan?

Their empire started with the pools, it expanded into clothing. It started with the pools though, it was a clear factor.

It's a dead line of discussion for me, carry on if you want to.

which means you cant supply any proof.

 

[Papas1982]

Is that not mainly down to FFP though ?

Chelsea it appears now are self sufficient as a club and spend what they earn but it took a good 10 years to get to that point. And it’s no surprise that they aren’t having the same impact or attracting the same level of players as they did when Roman arrived. I actually think this season Chelsea are going to surprise a few with being half forced to play some of their talented youth

And City outdid what Chelsea did in terms of spending but they now will spend what they make because ultimately they are under investigation by FFP. All over the clubs are working under FFP which for me is a better way - clubs only spending what they earn , no more Leeds , Pompey etc clubs who spent spent spent and ended up with debt up to their eyeballs.

And I thought our owners are still looking to expand they stadium

It may well be because off Ffp. I actually think Roman limited spending as soon as city were bought out tbh. And city as has been said, don’t necessarily require the megastar signings anymore. Just constant refreshing.

The Pompey and Leeds examples aren’t necessarily the same imo, a fit and proper test should show the owners have the finances to cover the deals. Plenty of teams including saints almost went to the wall and that wasn’t beciase of one bad owner.

 

[Dan2501]

Interesting that Carragher thinks Liverpool are short of a few players. Points out only 1 recognised LB in the squad with Moreno departing, and if they're unlucky with injuries to the key players (6-8 weeks) it could cause them a problem.

Should be a good game this - 2 very entertaining sides. Looking forward to seeing Max Aarons close up and see how good he is compared to a high level attack.

 

[Pin-seeker]

And I thought our owners are still looking to expand they stadium

Give it a rest Phil,you just stuck Liverpool in front of your name on here because ya mum bought you a Liverpool kit in the 80s.

You get all your info off Twitter & give it the big en like you’re a proper scouser🤣

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Interesting that Carragher thinks Liverpool are short of a few players. Points out only 1 recognised LB in the squad with Moreno departing, and if they're unlucky with injuries to the key players (6-8 weeks) it could cause them a problem.

Should be a good game this - 2 very entertaining sides. Looking forward to seeing Max Aarons close up and see how good he is compared to a high level attack.

Well even with Moreno in the squad last year when Robbo was out Moreno still didn’t play - Milner came in before him, and we have young Larouci in the squad and he is a left back ( and already looks better than what Moreno was )

And it’s funny how even Carragher forgets the injuries we did have - Gomez was key and we lost him for a significant period , other players throughout the squad we lost for smaller periods - we had injuries last season , I think only two were ever present , VVD and Alisson.

 

[Dan2501]

Well even with Moreno in the squad last year when Robbo was out Moreno still didn’t play - Milner came in before him, and we have young Larouci in the squad and he is a left back ( and already looks better than what Moreno was )

And it’s funny how even Carragher forgets the injuries we did have - Gomez was key and we lost him for a significant period , other players throughout the squad we lost for smaller periods - we had injuries last season , I think only two were ever present , VVD and Alisson.

Should probably check your facts. Robertson started 36 games last season. The 2 he didn't play were against Cardiff and Burnley. Who started against Cardiff? Moreno. Who started against Burnley? Moreno. So if one of your best and most influential players from last season who was almost ever present gets injured, you're confident that Larouci is good enough to replace him? And you say he looks better than Moreno already - what are you judging that on?

Salah appeared in every game last season. Only played 23 minutes against Burnley but every other game he played over 70 minutes. Mane appeared in 36 games, and Firmino 34. Long-term injuries to any of those 3 or Robertson and you could be in trouble. Carragher is spot on.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

which means you cant supply any proof.

You want me to go through historical accounts and see if John Moores used any money specifically raised via his pools business and that money eventually made it's way into liverpool FC? Has LP hijacked your account? Obviously that never happened. Clearly he kept that entirely separately to keep the football club entirely pure and morally superior.

In 30yrs time will city fans be arguing that the Sheik earned his money in various interests and oil had nothing to do with it?

 

[Dan2501]

Liverpool looking a little shaky at the back. Pukki's got in between TAA and Gomez 3 times in the first 15 minutes, and if Stiepermann could shoot they may have had a goal already. Carragher pointed out that teams in pre-season were getting in behind TAA regularly and it was a worry for him coming in. Norwich maybe not the team to exploit that, but they've had chances already.

Liverpool look so dangerous going forward though, very positive start down the left-side. Origi and Robertson have been excellent early.

 

[Orikoru]

First game back in the Prem, big match against Liverpool at Anfield. Just keep it tight early doors lads, nothing silly.

Oh.

 

[Dan2501]

Quality finish from Salah. Paying off having him as FPL captain already.

 

[Kellfire]

Have Liverpool forgotten how to defend over the summer?

 

[Dan2501]

Have Liverpool forgotten how to defend over the summer?

Seems like it. Massive gap between TAA and Gomez leading to 2 more Norwich chances since my last post. TAA's not going to last long at this rate, can see Liverpool ending up with Gomez, Matip, VVD and Robertson against the top teams.

 

[Dan2501]

Knew I should have gone VVD over TAA in FPL. Goal and Assist for Salah though, I'll take it.

 

[fundy]

Polite request but can we discuss the football on here, not a play by play of your fantasy side after each goal, be a very very long season if so!!!

PS get in VVD

 

[Papas1982]

Knew I should have gone VVD over TAA in FPL. Goal and Assist for Salah though, I'll take it.

I think over the season TAA is the better bet.
Can't pick em all lol

 

[Kellfire]

Liverpool’s season over.

 

[Dan2501]

Well, at least Liverpool picked up a back-up keeper in the Summer