Bunkermagnet
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An offensive term is just that, no matter who is using it.
fundy
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https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...l-man-utd-barcelona-real-madrid-a9330431.html
Very interesting article, might ruffle a few feathers though
Very interesting article, might ruffle a few feathers though
Tashyboy
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I remember when we went to Amsterdam and it was pointed out that the Nazis used to put pink triangles on the LGBT people before they went to the extermination camps in the same way Jews had a yellow star. Since then the LGBT have turned the pink triangle badge upside down to use as a positive. To say we have nothing to be ashamed of. I get that.
But this, am not sure who at the Oxford dictionary thought this a good idea.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...l-man-utd-barcelona-real-madrid-a9330431.html
Very interesting article, might ruffle a few feathers though
It’s a good article but i don’t think there is anything of a surprise in it - it’s been growing that way since the Prem started and also the CL changing.
I don’t see what can be done to stop the money juggernaut - ffp was obviously a dead duck
Kellfire
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The Oxford Dictionary tell us how words are used, not how we should use them.
HomerJSimpson
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Interesting given the speculation about Sancho leaving https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51471587
Orikoru
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Just made me laugh to be honest. I think @Kellfire has it right, Spurs fans do get called 'yiddos' by themselves and by others, so makes sense to have it in the dictionary as a definition. To my mind that is actually the primary definition - if I someone said to me "I had to leave that pub, it was full of yids" I would assume he meant Spurs fans and not that he was simply being derogatory towards some Jewish people. But that's only from my personal experience, I don't know any Jewish people or live near any Jewish communities so I'm less likely to hear it in the derogatory way anyway.
Tashyboy
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Is it sometimes the way it is said as against the word itself. I say that as I had a gay pal who worked at the pit. He used to get some banter off the lads and he more than gave it back. But he said some of the lads had venom in there words and just hated him purely because he was gay. That aside some of the guys he mentioned were out and out ignorant knobs anyway.
I think Spurs fans live in a bubble regarding this. I don't think anyone outside of Spurs fans would hear that same comment and think the same thought. Saying that, I have genuinely never heard anti Jewish comments in day to day life but then I don't live near any pockets of Jewish communities.
Orikoru
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There are definitely enough people who take 'yid' to mean 'Spurs fan' that it warrants an entry in the dictionary though, I would say. Since that is what we were discussing. And it's not just Spurs fans per se, it's all football fans.
Slime
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I don't take Yid to mean a Spurs fan, never have, never will.
Is Gooner in said dictionary?
A far more widely used reference to a particular teams' fan base.
Is Gooner in said dictionary?
A far more widely used reference to a particular teams' fan base.
But Gooner doesn’t have a double barreled meaning like yid does, so it’s not deemed to be derogatory like being called a yid currently does, just for being a spurs supporter and not for being Jewish.
If yid or Yiddo gets put in the dictionary as a description towards being a spurs supporter, does that then remove the racist element of it which can currently get you removed from a ground and even arrested! Even though their own fans sing and chant it about themselves?
Kellfire
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No because there are plenty of insulting words in the dictionary.
Orikoru
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Wolf
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Hardly the same context as the term Yid is though. I have to admit I find it quite sad that such a racial derogatory term is used by fans to name each other. It's also quite surprising how you say you view tue term considering how you were unhappy at the Bournemouth fan not getting a life ban for racist chanting, but will happily overlook your own fans using this term openly. Shows people are willing to over look things if it's for their own team.
Orikoru
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Firstly, I just answered his question, I didn't say it was the same. Secondly, there's a thing called context. Just because I think someone calling me a yid because I support Spurs is fine, I don't also think calling a Jewish person a yid in anger is fine.
Before you say it, I concede that calling someone who is Jewish and a Spurs fan a yid is probably a grey area.
yes there are, but that’s not what I wrote or asked, was it!
I stated, if yid or Yiddo is, or as I note now, has been added to the dictionary as a shared description towards being a spurs supporter would or should that remove the racist element at football matches.
If they (Spurs) are now deemed or believe they can now openly call themselves the yiddo army, or a yid (singular) as being a supporter of Spurs as it’s now shares that meaning in the dictionary, then surely opposing fans can describe them as that in the same vein without any repercussions.
Kellfire
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No it doesn’t.
says who, you?
Surely that’s double standards, if they can call themselves a yid, then I should be able to label them the same, as it’s now on record in the dictionary as being a spurs supporter, unless it clearly states that its a derogatory term towards a spurs supporter but then that wouldn’t allow them to use it themselves.
They can’t have it both ways!
Kellfire
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I’m saying that no it doesn’t remove the racist element. As I said earlier, it being in the dictionary doesn’t make it ok.
