clubchamp98
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Is correct ,Bernado definitely handled it!
clubchamp98
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A team can be defending and attacking at the same time???
Are you sure?
Orikoru
Tour Winner
If Sheffield's goal could be ruled out for an offside in the build that was about a minute before the goal then surely a goal can be ruled out for handball in your own box if you broke quickly from it and scored within a minute? I don't know how long it was between Arnold's hand ball and the goal though.
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22 Seconds.
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Well watched Motd again this morning
The incident with TAA they mentioned that the Silva handball needs to be taken out of it ? I was unsure why because that seemed to have a big affect on the whole situation ?
But Peter Crouch is a very good pundit
And some of those balls from the fullbacks were just world class
The incident with TAA they mentioned that the Silva handball needs to be taken out of it ? I was unsure why because that seemed to have a big affect on the whole situation ?
But Peter Crouch is a very good pundit
And some of those balls from the fullbacks were just world class
ColchesterFC
Journeyman Pro
Does the double jeopardy rule count for deliberate handball? So for example the Suarez handball for Uraguay in the World Cup where he punched it off the line in the last minute would now only be a yellow card?
clubchamp98
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Who knows every week the rules seem to have a different interpretation.
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It's either a goal or a Liverpool free kick for handball by Silva.
If that pass from silva misses TAA and Sterling slots then that goal would be chalked off under the current rules. How can it be a pen?
clubchamp98
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That was the point I was trying to make!
Treating defenders and attackers differently when it comes to handball is nonesense .
Was TAA defending or part of the attacking move that led to the goal .
Surely you can’t do both at the same time.
It’s ridiculous.
I posted yesterday .it should have been disallowed as the rules stand.
But if you do then the Bernado handball must have a bearing so free kick for Liverpool.
How they can say his handball is dismissed is baffling.
clubchamp98
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Good question!
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Because you are playing what ifs, you can only judged what actually happened.
If your scenario had happened it would of remained 0-0. Not 1-0 LPool
TAA, according to whichever pundit/expert etc you listen too, it was all about whether his arm was in an unnatural position, Silva’s was an accident and unintentional.
Not saying they are right just what was being said during the game, even at half time that’s how Souness, Keane, Jose and Kompany all agreed on.
If someone in the crowd coughed when he did it then apparently punching it off the line is now perfectly acceptable.
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Ok. So now its subjective to did the ref think it was intentional handball by TAA.
He never thought it was. Btw, who was the ref at stockley park
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Based on that statement - if Silvas was and accident and unintentional then TAA was deliberate?
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Possibly in their opinion.
garyinderry
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Football is a shambles at the minute. Var is turning into a joke.
In times gone by. The ref would make the decision and the linesman would assist. These days they are told not to flag.
The players these days are not playing to the whistle anymore. They are banking and crying for Var. Aguero should have attempted to smash the ball with his left foot instead of appealing for a penalty.
If ever there was a decision where the ref needed to view a screen then this was it.
TAA is a very lucky boy. I dont agree that hands need to be by the players side. I agree they can raise up naturally through movement and the need for balance. Where I believe he is very lucky is that he orientated both palms to face towards the incoming ball. I think it was an instinctive reaction to a ball quickly changing direction.
The nonsense rule of an attacker handling the ball before a goal wouldn't come into play here as it lead to a potential penalty decision, not a goal.
In times gone by. The ref would make the decision and the linesman would assist. These days they are told not to flag.
The players these days are not playing to the whistle anymore. They are banking and crying for Var. Aguero should have attempted to smash the ball with his left foot instead of appealing for a penalty.
If ever there was a decision where the ref needed to view a screen then this was it.
TAA is a very lucky boy. I dont agree that hands need to be by the players side. I agree they can raise up naturally through movement and the need for balance. Where I believe he is very lucky is that he orientated both palms to face towards the incoming ball. I think it was an instinctive reaction to a ball quickly changing direction.
The nonsense rule of an attacker handling the ball before a goal wouldn't come into play here as it lead to a potential penalty decision, not a goal.
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Ref may not of seen it or agreed with VAR that it was in a natural position.
I’m not taking sides in this mate, the best team on the day won, it bas£ard VAR again.
Stockley Pk was Paul Tierney,
SteveW86
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I'd say someone is defending when their team is not in possession of the ball and attacking when they are. Their location on the pitch should not matter as we know teams can break form one end to the other and score in 10 seconds.
I dont think what happened was "unfair" as for me both handballs were accidental (was it 0.5 seconds from it hitting Silvas arm to Trent's). City had plenty of time to defend the situation after the incident and it was their poor defending which caused the goal. If play had been stopped at the time and reviewed, I think a penalty to City would have been very harsh.
I dont think what happened was "unfair" as for me both handballs were accidental (was it 0.5 seconds from it hitting Silvas arm to Trent's). City had plenty of time to defend the situation after the incident and it was their poor defending which caused the goal. If play had been stopped at the time and reviewed, I think a penalty to City would have been very harsh.
Orikoru
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I think Arnold's arm was in a more 'unnatural position' and Silva's wasn't. But you would understandably feel very hard done by as a Liverpool fan or player if the Silva handball isn't given and the penalty was. And I agree that if Arnold doesn't hand ball it, the ball goes to Sterling and he scores, then the goal is ruled out through VAR because it cannot touch an attacker's hand in the build up to a goal full stop in the new rules.
In summary then - it's a minefield. It's about as close to the chicken and the egg as you can get with a football decision.
In summary then - it's a minefield. It's about as close to the chicken and the egg as you can get with a football decision.
Liverbirdie
Ryder Cup Winner
Not sure under FIFA rules, but will be under premiership rules as it was thought that a red card and a penalty was too much punishment. It changed 2-3 years ago iirc.
