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Premier League 2019-2020 we’re off

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Orikoru said:
That's fair enough. They'll have the opportunity to strengthen in January, but you just can't see them doing so adequately can you?
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January transfer windows aren’t really a gold mine for the players that really change a team - there have been the odd buys but i don’t expect one transfer window is going to cure their ills

Arsenal and Man Utd are at a stage that Liverpool found themselves in when Rafa left - need a top manager and the right player purchases.
 
murphthemog said:
I was talking league positions, as that is what is important to me. Repeatedly winning a comp Arsenal don't even want to be in is meaningless, and if anything shows where his level is.
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I understand that but I was trying to give him a bit of credit. Equally, Arsenal have been a cup team for quite a few years now so maybe him winning cups was an attraction for the board. When was the last time they genuinely challenged for the title? I don't just mean league position but actually threatened? It must be a long time ago.

It is hard to criticise him in Spain though, the league is so heavily in favour of the big 2, Atletico Madrid are now also spending big so you have 3 teams and everyone else is playing for 4th.

As I posted earlier, I don't see Arsenal enough to defend him for his Arsenal record but I think his record in Spain is respectable. At the moment I am not sure Arsenal can attract much better.
 
I don't see a 3rd place finish in Spain, 30 points behind second as an achievement. You only play RM and Barca twice, and pretty much everyone loses. After that, it is a free for all, but 30 ponits behind second shows a lot of dropped points.

Oh, and at his last year at Sevilla, he went an entire season without an away win. Sound familiar?
 
Blimey was that VAR being used the correct way ?

Barnes looks a very good player. Leicester look a very good team
 
murphthemog said:
I don't see a 3rd place finish in Spain, 30 points behind second as an achievement. You only play RM and Barca twice, and pretty much everyone loses. After that, it is a free for all, but 30 ponits behind second shows a lot of dropped points.
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Maybe a better indicator would be how many points in front of 4th place (or possibly last CL place) they finished. In Spain unless you are Barcelona or Real Madrid you aren't expected to be in the top two. It's a best of the rest competition almost every season.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
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Come on - either but stupid or on a wind up ?!

Klopp took over from a poor BR team - really poor - by the end of the season we reached both the League cup and Europa Cup Final

In his first full season he took a team from 8th to CL spot , then consolidated it whilst reaching another CL final , then last season won the CL as well as improving in the league and this season we continue on the upward trend.

Emery is miles away from getting anywhere near Arsenal challenging for any major trophy and it will be another season out of the CL ahead - he just isn’t good enough - been there for 16 months now and I don’t believe there is any improvement on the pitch.
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Mmmm, Liverpool finish second in the league by just 2 points behind City and a year later the team was “poor, really poor” ?!

I don’t think so somehow.
 
Rogers have definitely got Leicester playing some nice stuff and irrespective of the sending off, were on top. They've been clinical since and a great VAR use for a change. I think the second half will be a tough one for any Saints fan to watch
 
sawtooth said:
Mmmm, Liverpool finish second in the league by just 2 points behind City and a year later the team was “poor, really poor” ?!

I don’t think so somehow.
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What happened in the summer ? They sold Suarez who was massive during the one good season BR had - how did they do once he left ? They came 6th - that one season was a one off - he had three and a half seasons 7th then 2nd then 6th and when he left we were 10th I think.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
What happened in the summer ? They sold Suarez who was massive during the one good season BR had - how did they do once he left ? They came 6th - that one season was a one off - he had three and a half seasons 7th then 2nd then 6th and when he left we were 10th I think.
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10th yeah after 2 months of a season before he as sacked.

You make it sound like Liverpool were relegation candidates when Klopp took over. They very nearly won the league the season before so just adding some context that’s all.
 
sawtooth said:
10th yeah after 2 months of a season before he as sacked.

You make it sound like Liverpool were relegation candidates when Klopp took over. They very nearly won the league the season before so just adding some context that’s all.
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it wasn’t the season before - the season after they came 2nd they came 6th miles away from the top 4 and going backwards , the next season they were going further backwards and it was time for a change - there is now just three players left from that squad - they had one good season when Suarez was unplayable , take him out and they were poor and the results showed that.

The context is Klopp took over a mid table team and turned them into one of the best in Europe - Emery has taken a team that were Qualifying for the Europa league to a team that is still Qualifying for the Europa league - he will imo be gone at the end of the season if he doesn’t make the top 4 and I don’t see his team or tactics being good enough to get top 4
 
SteveW86 said:
Imagine having 3 Leicester players in your fantasy league team and none of them having a goal or assist 🙈🙈
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I tried to transfer Vardy and Maddison into my team this morning but apparently I've had my 3 transfers for the month so it wont go through until Nov 1st 😭. I'm getting whupped in my mini league and could have done with this going through. The only redemption is I have Schmeichel in goal.

That is tough on you mind, harsh.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
I tried to transfer Vardy and Maddison into my team this morning but apparently I've had my 3 transfers for the month so it wont go through until Nov 1st 😭. I'm getting whupped in my mini league and could have done with this going through. The only redemption is I have Schmeichel in goal.

That is tough on you mind, harsh.
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2 defenders in the team, so providing Southampton don’t score it will be good. Just need Maddison to chip in with something as he is the 3rd
 
Liverpoolphil said:
it wasn’t the season before - the season after they came 2nd they came 6th miles away from the top 4 and going backwards , the next season they were going further backwards and it was time for a change - there is now just three players left from that squad - they had one good season when Suarez was unplayable , take him out and they were poor and the results showed that.

The context is Klopp took over a mid table team and turned them into one of the best in Europe - Emery has taken a team that were Qualifying for the Europa league to a team that is still Qualifying for the Europa league - he will imo be gone at the end of the season if he doesn’t make the top 4 and I don’t see his team or tactics being good enough to get top 4
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OK year the before, I still argue that Liverpool couldn’t have been that bad when Klopp took over.

And after 4 years Klopp still hasn’t assembled a side capable of winning the league why should we be getting on Emery’s case after 16 months?
 
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