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Premier League 2019-2020 we’re off

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Papas1982 said:
BR did leave them in a state though. There were 10th in the league, accumulating points at a rate similar to what got Mourinho the boot at Chelsea. Klopp got them back to 8th, but taking points at a rate that would have gotten 73 points in a full season (enough for fourth that year). Since then he has finished 4th, 4th, 2nd. That's improvement.

Last year you did improve slightly to be fair. With points at least, but it does seem Emerys approach is simply a case of hoping your better players basically bail you out. I can't picture a defined style. If you finish 5/6th again i think he's toast as he doesn't have the credit with the board Wenger did and the sport has changed.
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My bad I thought BR came within a whisker of winning the PL with Liverpool.
 
sawtooth said:
My bad I thought BR came within a whisker of winning the PL with Liverpool.
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Surely the fact they went from getting 80 points, to 60 to barely a point a game in his final season shows the trend wasn't a good one.

He left them no better than we he took over, in fact that's not true. Courtesy of a quick google. His first season he got 61 points, his last full he got 62.........
 
sawtooth said:
Yep guilty of play acting, and I think Gendouzi dived for the free kick at the end too.

I call out Arsenal players when they do it but Liverpool fans on here see nothing wrong when their players do it. Blinkered beyond belief.

Emery will be very pleased with that, managed to give returning players a good run out , rested some first team ers and still got a win at the end.

Great for Pepes confidence to score a brace too.

Future will be bright I think under Emery we just need the spoilt brat fan base to keep their toys in the pram for a while longer. This was always going to be a 4-5 year project.
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You can’t answer a question without mentioning Liverpool.
At least your honest about your own cheats.
Ferrira ( spelling ) decided to go down as well.
It was a blatant tug around his neck but watch it carefully ,he chose to go down for the foul.
 
This is roughly Emerys record as a manager

Valencia, 6th place
Valencia 3rd place, 25pts gap to second
Valencia 3rd place, 21 pts gap to second
Valencia 3rd place, 30 pts gap to second
Spartak, did not finish the season
Sevilla 5th
Sevilla 5th
Sevilla 7th
PSG 2nd
PSG 1st.

He is not exactly the messiah, more a journey man.
 
murphthemog said:
This is roughly Emerys record as a manager

Valencia, 6th place
Valencia 3rd place, 25pts gap to second
Valencia 3rd place, 21 pts gap to second
Valencia 3rd place, 30 pts gap to second
Spartak, did not finish the season
Sevilla 5th
Sevilla 5th
Sevilla 7th
PSG 2nd
PSG 1st.

He is not exactly the messiah, more a journey man.
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Considering the heavily biased, financial, nature of Spanish football I think that is a very respectable and consistent record. You have also left out the 3 Europa League cups he won.

He may not be the messiah but that is not the record of a mug. (I should add, I am not claiming the job he is doing at Arsenal is a good one but that record is okay in the circumstances he was performing in)
 
sawtooth said:
Team personnel is different enough now but more importantly the manager has his own ideas. This will take time to get across. Took Klopp long enough to win something at Liverpool and remember he still hasn’t won any domestic trophy including the league in 4 years.

Is that because BR left Liverpool in such a state? No, it’s because Klopp is his own man and with his own ideas. Takes time for everything to come together.
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Come on - either but stupid or on a wind up ?!

Klopp took over from a poor BR team - really poor - by the end of the season we reached both the League cup and Europa Cup Final

In his first full season he took a team from 8th to CL spot , then consolidated it whilst reaching another CL final , then last season won the CL as well as improving in the league and this season we continue on the upward trend.

Emery is miles away from getting anywhere near Arsenal challenging for any major trophy and it will be another season out of the CL ahead - he just isn’t good enough - been there for 16 months now and I don’t believe there is any improvement on the pitch.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
🤦‍♂️

Come on - either but stupid or on a wind up ?!

Klopp took over from a poor BR team - really poor - by the end of the season we reached both the League cup and Europa Cup Final

In his first full season he took a team from 8th to CL spot , then consolidated it whilst reaching another CL final , then last season won the CL as well as improving in the league and this season we continue on the upward trend.

Emery is miles away from getting anywhere near Arsenal challenging for any major trophy and it will be another season out of the CL ahead - he just isn’t good enough - been there for 16 months now and I don’t believe there is any improvement on the pitch.
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That's a bold call. They've certainly started better than us or United. Only behind Leicester and Chelsea in that respect currently. Showing a lot of faith in Leicester I think to suppose they will stay in there all season now.
 
Orikoru said:
That's a bold call. They've certainly started better than us or United. Only behind Leicester and Chelsea in that respect currently. Showing a lot of faith in Leicester I think to suppose they will stay in there all season now.
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But there is no performance, no recognised style of play. It doesn't look like anything you can build on.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
Considering the heavily biased, financial, nature of Spanish football I think that is a very respectable and consistent record. You have also left out the 3 Europa League cups he won.

He may not be the messiah but that is not the record of a mug. (I should add, I am not claiming the job he is doing at Arsenal is a good one but that record is okay in the circumstances he was performing in)
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I was talking league positions, as that is what is important to me. Repeatedly winning a comp Arsenal don't even want to be in is meaningless, and if anything shows where his level is.
 
murphthemog said:
But there is no performance, no recognised style of play. It doesn't look like anything you can build on.
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Yeah they have a multitude of flaws, I just mean you can't say with certainty they won't get champions league. Very few teams have actually started the season well to be honest. Arguably only Liverpool, Leicester & Sheff Utd - at a stretch Chelsea & Palace.
 
Orikoru said:
Yeah they have a multitude of flaws, I just mean you can't say with certainty they won't get champions league. Very few teams have actually started the season well to be honest. Arguably only Liverpool, Leicester & Sheff Utd - at a stretch Chelsea & Palace.
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For sure, but I don't give a stuff about the CL either. We used to challenge for the league. That is what I want.
 
Orikoru said:
That's a bold call. They've certainly started better than us or United. Only behind Leicester and Chelsea in that respect currently. Showing a lot of faith in Leicester I think to suppose they will stay in there all season now.
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Spurs will recover and it will be down to them and Leicester for one of the spots as I think Chelsea will continue to play well . Arsenal doesn’t seem to have a structure , a way to play , their backline and midfield is really poor - it’s hard to see what direction he is going to go on. For me they will be in 5th or 6th position
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Spurs will recover and it will be down to them and Leicester for one of the spots as I think Chelsea will continue to play well . Arsenal doesn’t seem to have a structure , a way to play , their backline and midfield is really poor - it’s hard to see what direction he is going to go on. For me they will be in 5th or 6th position
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That's fair enough. They'll have the opportunity to strengthen in January, but you just can't see them doing so adequately can you?
 
It doesn't matter who they buy, they will suffer from the same confused coaching, and the results will be the same.

A large chunk of the squad is now Emerys. He has been there 15 odd months, and the performance is getting worse.
 
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