Premier League 2019-2020 we’re off

[clubchamp98]

You've not missed key players at the same time, or barring Alison for any length of time

You've 5 truly world class players and you get 4 or 5 of them out every single week. That's genuinely impressive fitness wise. The rest of the prem outside the top 2 has about 6 truly world class between them all, at a stretch. So you should be dominating by miles between you both. You're miles and miles better than the rest.

Your midfield in comparison to others you compete with is bang average, in my opinion. Outside Fabinho you need to overhaul it in the next couple of years. The same can be said of City's defence. Not bad, just average in comparison to similar teams.

I agree with the last bit.
Kieta has been very disappointing ,injuries no real form.
I think we need a CM who can control the pace of the game and put a ball on a sixpence.(KDB)
But they are very hard to come by.
I also think we need a Proper goal poacher back up.
Again hard to come by.
But Klopp won’t spend unless it’s the right man.

 

[clubchamp98]

Yes, and for the first time in decades we've only needed 1-2 players and not 4+.

I wanted another player who would be able to replace mane/Sadio/Bobby and without too much of a quality decrease - thinking Zaha or similar.

Sawtooth would have a field day if Saha had a reds shirt on.

 

[Dan2501]

Liverpool have actually been very lucky with injuries. In the league:

Alisson has been injured this season, but played all season last season
TAA's yet to miss a game this season, missed 5 last
Robertson yet to miss a game this season, missed 1 last season
VVD's yet to miss a game this season, didn't miss any last season
Fabinho's yet to miss a game this season, missed 1 last season after finally breaking into the squad in GW9.
Henderson has been available all season this season, missed 2 with injury last
Salah has missed 1 game this season, didn't miss any last season
Mane's yet to miss a game this season, only missed 2 last season
Firmino's played every game this season, missed 4 last season

That's the main core of the squad suffering very few injuries, no long term other than Alisson this season. Given the style of football played, it's pretty remarkable they've managed to keep the core of the squad fit.

 

[sawtooth]

So you can kick someone in the calf from behind ,not getting the ball and it’s not a foul?

How much contact was there in the Burnley equaliser ?
Did J Evans dive.
It was clearly accidental but still a foul.

Just imagine that every single bit of contact in football results in a free kick. There would be 500+ free kicks a game.

Not all touches are fouls and not all fouls are yellow cards.

I’ve said it a few times on here, when a player is genuinely fouled or impeded there is no reason for the player to add his own artistry.

The action of the foul itself (if genuine) ought to be enough to show the ref what is going on.

If I went up to Origi and kicked him as hard as I could I promise you his reaction would look different and would be 100% genuine. No need to fake😊 The chances are is that he would still be nursing the leg I kicked and not the opposite one. 👍

In Origi’s case the touch was so insignificant that he had to exaggerate contact which of course is deceitful and IMO cheating.

Look, we all see things differently and you are a red so I get the bias but I don’t have to agree with it. And you don’t have to agree with me but let’s remain civil about things.

 

[sawtooth]

You used to be able to argue points with you objectively, sadly that changed 2 years ago.

Mate if you think Origi was honest yesterday you are either so blinded by love of Liverpool or you have never kicked a ball in your life.

He lost control of the ball felt a touch and tried to steal a free kick. Not for me.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Liverpool have actually been very lucky with injuries. In the league:

Alisson has been injured this season, but played all season last season
TAA's yet to miss a game this season, missed 5 last
Robertson yet to miss a game this season, missed 1 last season
VVD's yet to miss a game this season, didn't miss any last season
Fabinho's yet to miss a game this season, missed 1 last season after finally breaking into the squad in GW9.
Henderson has been available all season this season, missed 2 with injury last
Salah has missed 1 game this season, didn't miss any last season
Mane's yet to miss a game this season, only missed 2 last season
Firmino's played every game this season, missed 4 last season

That's the main core of the squad suffering very few injuries, no long term other than Alisson this season. Given the style of football played, it's pretty remarkable they've managed to keep the core of the squad fit.

On paper it doesn’t look too bad but then I remember seeing the team play a 16year old lad at right , Henderson at right back , Fabinho at CB , facing Barcelona without Salah and Firmino , Gomez missing most of the season

VVD and Alisson were the only ever presents last season - lucky with injuries ? We had to adapt as most did when they lose players - players played through knocks and niggles through the season.

It’s almost if at times people are loathed to give credit when it’s due - always needs to be a but or a lucky or any other caveat

 

[Papas1982]

On paper it doesn’t look too bad but then I remember seeing the team play a 16year old lad at right , Henderson at right back , Fabinho at CB , facing Barcelona without Salah and Firmino , Gomez missing most of the season

VVD and Alisson were the only ever presents last season - lucky with injuries ? We had to adapt as most did when they lose players - players played through knocks and niggles through the season.

It’s almost if at times people are loathed to give credit when it’s due - always needs to be a but or a lucky or any other caveat

Any team needs luck to be successful, irrespective of skill winning teams have moments of fortune. For you guys to win the league you need the majority of your key players to stay fit. You had that last year. You'll need it again this year. It's not a slight on Liverpool to say they'll need luck with injuries. They simply can't absorb them like city.

As to Gomez, he is fit now and not selected. He's in danger of becoming a Wilshire (one great game against barca and he's a world).

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Any team needs luck to be successful, irrespective of skill winning teams have moments of fortune. For you guys to win the league you need the majority of your key players to stay fit. You had that last year. You'll need it again this year. It's not a slight on Liverpool to say they'll need luck with injuries. They simply can't absorb them like city.

As to Gomez, he is fit now and not selected. He's in danger of becoming a Wilshire (one great game against barca and he's a world).

“Becoming a Wilshire” 😂

He isn’t playing because the guy in front of him has the spot - so it’s up to Gomez to be Paitent just like Matip was and when he gets the chance takes it, the guy is only 22 - has his whole career ahead of him


I also see they are announce the Ballon D'Or shortlist

List of nominees revealed so far

Virgil van Dijk (Liverpool)

Bernardo Silva (Manchester City)

Son Heung-min (Tottenham)

Robert Lewandowski (Bayern Munich)

Roberto Firmino (Liverpool)

Alisson (Liverpool)

Matthijs de Ligt (Juventus)

Karim Benzema (Real Madrid)

Georginio Wijnaldum (Liverpool)

Sergio Aguero (Manchester City)

Frenkie de Jong (Barcelona)

Hugo Lloris (Tottenham)

Dusan Tadic (Ajax)

Cristiano Ronaldo (Juventus)

Kylian Mbappe (Paris St-Germain)

Trent Alexander-Arnold (Liverpool)󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

Donny van de Beek (Ajax)

Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (Arsenal)

Marc-Andre ter Stegen (Barcelona)

Sadio Mane (Liverpool)


More will be announced

I dont know why they annouce such a big list

 

[fundy]

Id love to know whats happening at training at Arsenal for Emery to pick this side at Sheff Utd tonight, so far from what he could be picking its ridiculous

 

[Papas1982]

“Becoming a Wilshire” 😂

He isn’t playing because the guy in front of him has the spot - so it’s up to Gomez to be Paitent just like Matip was and when he gets the chance takes it, the guy is only 22 - has his whole career ahead of him

Gomez has started games this year though and got dropped did he not. Its not like he had an injury and matip took his chance.

Atm he is getting built up without even playing. You've heralded him as better than maguire after 2 seasons where his appearances have been limited (somewhat due to injury) For me that is comparable to the hyperbole that's surrounded many young English players. Wilshere included.

 

[clubchamp98]

Just imagine that every single bit of contact in football results in a free kick. There would be 500+ free kicks a game.

Not all touches are fouls and not all fouls are yellow cards.

I’ve said it a few times on here, when a player is genuinely fouled or impeded there is no reason for the player to add his own artistry.

The action of the foul itself (if genuine) ought to be enough to show the ref what is going on.

If I went up to Origi and kicked him as hard as I could I promise you his reaction would look different and would be 100% genuine. No need to fake😊 The chances are is that he would still be nursing the leg I kicked and not the opposite one. 👍

In Origi’s case the touch was so insignificant that he had to exaggerate contact which of course is deceitful and IMO cheating.

Look, we all see things differently and you are a red so I get the bias but I don’t have to agree with it. And you don’t have to agree with me but let’s remain civil about things.

I have never been uncivil.

But will bow to your superior knowledge of how footballers con referees .
After all you have been watching players do this a lot more than me being an Arsenal fan!

 

[sawtooth]

I have never been uncivil.

But will bow to your superior knowledge of how footballers con referees .
After all you have been watching players do this a lot more than me being an Arsenal fan!

Just explain one thing, why did Origi clinch his right ankle when he was quite clearly touched on the left lower leg?

Was that pain transfer or a con trick? You tell me.

 

[Papas1982]

Just explain one thing, why did Origi clinch his right ankle when he was quite clearly touched on the left lower leg?

Was that pain transfer or a con trick? You tell me.

He hold the wrong foot because after all his theatrics he’s forgotten where he was kicked. That being said, the antics after a foul have zero relevance to whether it’s a foul or not. Something you’ve demonstrated on numerous occasions that you fail to accept.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50130001


- its hard to point fingers at other countries when we first need to sort it out in our own grounds and all walks of life

 

[HomerJSimpson]

A strange thing https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50112266

 

[sawtooth]

He hold the wrong foot because after all his theatrics he’s forgotten where he was kicked. That being said, the antics after a foul have zero relevance to whether it’s a foul or not. Something you’ve demonstrated on numerous occasions that you fail to accept.

Another one that thinks this is basketball , football is a contact sport.

Not all contact is a foul, something you fail to recognise on numerous occasions.👍

Play acting can fool the ref of course it’s relevant.

 

[fundy]

no VAR tonight then????

 

[paddyc]

Wheres all my fellow gooners tonight? Keeping quiet not confident about getting a result,surely not

 

[Deleted member 15344]

no VAR tonight then????

It’s embarrassing- but Mike Dean is looking right at it - clear pull on the shirt

 

[fundy]

Wheres all my fellow gooners tonight? Keeping quiet not confident about getting a result,surely not

im here Pat, hope youre well mate

really fancied us tonight till I saw the abortion of an XI the clown has picked!!!