Premier League 2019-2020 we’re off

[garyinderry]

Was VAR really brought in to look at niggley wee tackles in the middle of the park?

 

[TheDiablo]

Liverpool have a serious lack of depth everywhere except 2nd CB. Keep everyone fit and they'll win the league, but lose any of the front 3, VVD or Robbo for any length of time, let alone at the same time and Citys ability to rotate key positions throughout the year may prove fruitful.

To highlight it, pick a 'second 11' from the sides and its only Gomez that gets in for me, yet 'first 11' can be argued till the cows come home - mine would be a 6/5 split one way or the other.

TAA once again showing he's clueless postionally at right back, yet incredibly talented on the ball - touch, vision and technique all superb. He's a centre midfielder!! Liverpool aren't even particularly good at CM so it baffles me he doesn't play there

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Funny game and I have to give Ole and United credit - it was a masterclass tactically. Very Mourinho like though but given the starting line up the performance for 60 minutes was out of this world. The flip side is how can they do that against Liverpool but roll over against Newcastle or Southampton?

Liverpool were frankly woeful and again despite being so impressive generally in the last few years, this is the second time they've gone to Manchester with a big gap and looked lost. Against City last season they had the chance to kill the title race and got outworked and outclassed tactically. The same happened yesterday and that is why City will win the title. Klopp just looks like he can't make the final step. Plus looking at the back up options there really isn't anything, the attack is paper thin and compare it to City's and the difference is frightening.

I dont know what game you watched but that certainly wasnt the case last season at all. It was a very tight game where either team could've won without any complaints. Liverpool were definitely not outclassed tactically nor outworked.

Yesterday a tactical masterclass?? 😂😂 They played well but never really created anything other than the goal.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Was VAR really brought in to look at niggley wee tackles in the middle of the park?

No it wasnt, but the refs boss has set the rules where the build up to every goal is checked and given recent goals being disallowed (Burnley's equaliser saturday) surely that had to be disallowed too?

More inconsistencies. Take a loss and throw VAR in the bin ASAP.

 

[4LEX]

I dont know what game you watched but that certainly wasnt the case last season at all. It was a very tight game where either team could've won without any complaints. Liverpool were definitely not outclassed tactically nor outworked.

Yesterday a tactical masterclass?? 😂😂 They played well but never really created anything other than the goal.

Don't get so defensive, I've got nothing but praise for Liverpool usually. The City game was tight in a sense but Liverpool looked like they had no game plan. They didn't go for City who were in a bad place, nor did they shut up and play for a draw. It was a big chance wasted and cost you the title. City had a plan and wanted it more.

Yesterday was a masterclass from Ole. Considering he's a third rate manager with a poor side to not only be the better team but actually looked the better coached side was surprising.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Just seen that foul on Origl on motd ridiculous how that was reviewed and not changed,

As a Spurs fan who has seen countless decisions go against the away side, I think you'll know why.

 

[Liverbirdie]

I find it surprising for people that watch so many live games that they still can’t tell when a player is play acting or not.

Twice in the past few weeks Liverpool players have gone down for the merest contact and when they go to hold their injured leg they chose the wrong one. Cheating of the highest order.

Origi effectively lost the ball with a dodgy first touch. Then make no mistake the defender makes slight contact and Origi takes the opportunity to jump to the ground. Then rolls over and holds the ankle of the opposite leg. The ref and probably the VAR people saw the same thing that I did, it’s just a pity that the players aren’t punished for it.

It’s the scourge of the game and it’s making football less and less enjoyable to watch.

You used to be able to argue points with you objectively, sadly that changed 2 years ago.

 

[Liverbirdie]

There is a lot to be admired about how footie has progressed since the arrival of The Prem... But the over playing (often theatrical) of any contact ain't, for me, one of the better aspects... Sooner seen it gone...

Totally agree with you, but its not going to anytime soon. All clubs have their players who do it and not just that type of cheating either.

Some just seem to see ours though. Some of them are still fouls though - yes players have made the most of it, but it still doesnt mean that Mane's and Origi's werent fouls. refs need to up their games as its the chicken and the egg, if you dont go down you dont get anything. If Johnny Evans hadnt gone down on Saturday, would that goal not have been disallowed - no chance.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Was VAR really brought in to look at niggley wee tackles in the middle of the park?

If it directly leads to a goal, yes.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Liverpool have a serious lack of depth everywhere except 2nd CB. Keep everyone fit and they'll win the league, but lose any of the front 3, VVD or Robbo for any length of time, let alone at the same time and Citys ability to rotate key positions throughout the year may prove fruitful.

To highlight it, pick a 'second 11' from the sides and its only Gomez that gets in for me, yet 'first 11' can be argued till the cows come home - mine would be a 6/5 split one way or the other.

TAA once again showing he's clueless postionally at right back, yet incredibly talented on the ball - touch, vision and technique all superb. He's a centre midfielder!! Liverpool aren't even particularly good at CM so it baffles me he doesn't play there

yes your right, dont know why people keep asking why our bigger squad isnt as good as City's as the answer is obvious - about 3-400 million pounds.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Don't get so defensive, I've got nothing but praise for Liverpool usually. The City game was tight in a sense but Liverpool looked like they had no game plan. They didn't go for City who were in a bad place, nor did they shut up and play for a draw. It was a big chance wasted and cost you the title. City had a plan and wanted it more.

Yesterday was a masterclass from Ole. Considering he's a third rate manager with a poor side to not only be the better team but actually looked the better coached side was surprising.

I'm not being defensive, just pointing out that your assessment of us being outclassed tactically and outworked against city last season was actually wrong.

 

[Piece]

Funny game and I have to give Ole and United credit - it was a masterclass tactically. Very Mourinho like though but given the starting line up the performance for 60 minutes was out of this world. The flip side is how can they do that against Liverpool but roll over against Newcastle or Southampton?

Liverpool were frankly woeful and again despite being so impressive generally in the last few years, this is the second time they've gone to Manchester with a big gap and looked lost. Against City last season they had the chance to kill the title race and got outworked and outclassed tactically. The same happened yesterday and that is why City will win the title. Klopp just looks like he can't make the final step. Plus looking at the back up options there really isn't anything, the attack is paper thin and compare it to City's and the difference is frightening.

. A bit OTT, me thinks!

Man Utd played OK, sitting back and catching Liverpool on the break. Nothing more, nothing less.

Liverpool had won their last 17 (say that again, 17) so I think having a game where you are not 100% is more than acceptable. For all Man Utd's 'tactical brilliance' and 'out of this world' performance, they hardly worked the keeper, and in the end, only one team was going to win it. And it wasn't Man U.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Liverpool have a serious lack of depth everywhere except 2nd CB. Keep everyone fit and they'll win the league, but lose any of the front 3, VVD or Robbo for any length of time, let alone at the same time and Citys ability to rotate key positions throughout the year may prove fruitful.

To highlight it, pick a 'second 11' from the sides and its only Gomez that gets in for me, yet 'first 11' can be argued till the cows come home - mine would be a 6/5 split one way or the other.

TAA once again showing he's clueless postionally at right back, yet incredibly talented on the ball - touch, vision and technique all superb. He's a centre midfielder!! Liverpool aren't even particularly good at CM so it baffles me he doesn't play there

when you compare our squad to the most expensive squad ever assembled then it’s always going to look inferior but for a such a poor depth squad how have we managed to win 125 points from the last 144 on offer whilst suffering injuries to most of the squad bar one player. And how the hell have we manage to do so well when we aren’t particularly good in CM.

Or maybe we are a lot better than people want to give credit for - is our CM as good as Citys , Nope but it’s better than the rest in the Prem and has done a very good job against all the others in Europe and there is a lot more returning depth both in CM and up front l

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I think yesterday it boiled down to OGS getting them to play defensively, even more so after Rashford scored, and for the players to realise to the fans, a heavy defeat to a massive rival like Liverpool simply isn't acceptable especially on the back of a crap season to date. Whether, and there are players coming back from long injuries, it is a catalyst I am not sure and at the moment I am not sure OGS can really get them into a European place this season. If he isn't given the season to develop and bring on the side who then comes in and how much of a poisoned chalice in managing United becoming? I'd also say yesterday, Liverpool were the poorest they've been all season.

I happen to agree with the comments regarding strength of depth and it'll be interesting for the neutral at least, especially if Liverpool are competing for the PL and in the later stages of the CL how injuries begin to have an effect. Liverpool were definitely crying out for a creative player but who would that be at a price and wage structure Liverpool would be prepared to agree to? A few injuries to the defensive line may be more telling but some seasons a team can really struggle and others get away without too many major injuries to key players.

 

[clubchamp98]

Don't know if there was sufficient contact for Origi's reaction although I accept such contact is sometimes penalised.

The exaggeration may subconsciously influence the referee's decision.

I have watched it again and think the ref hasn’t seen it properly.
A united player gets in his way ,he then gets the ball.
That’s fine if so but can’t understand the VAR ref not giving the foul.
There’s clear contact that’s all he needs to tell the ref , he then can go and look at the monitor.
But they won’t do that , it’s what it was brought in for.

But I would say it’s a poor challenge for the ball from the defender ,he’s facing away from goal but turns him, he kicks the back of his calf from behind .
In black and white that’s a foul.

 

[TheDiablo]

yes your right, dont know why people keep asking why our bigger squad isnt as good as City's as the answer is obvious - about 3-400 million pounds.

Yeah obviously and I've said that myself before.

But surely you had £100m to strenghen the depth this summer and for whatever reason chose not to spend a dime even though 30 or 40 Mill came in through the door. Klopp seems strangely above criticism with Reds in this regard.

A creative midfielder you've already spoken of and a true white paint on the boots winger as a plan b wouldve been sensible imo. Outside of Lallana who is suspect fitness wise it's all a bit samey.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Yeah obviously and I've said that myself before.

But surely you had £100m to strenghen the depth this summer and for whatever reason chose not to spend a dime even though 30 or 40 Mill came in through the door. Klopp seems strangely above criticism with Reds in this regard.

A creative midfielder you've already spoken of and a true white paint on the boots winger as a plan b wouldve been sensible imo. Outside of Lallana who is suspect fitness wise it's all a bit samey.

Yes, and for the first time in decades we've only needed 1-2 players and not 4+.

I wanted another player who would be able to replace mane/Sadio/Bobby and without too much of a quality decrease - thinking Zaha or similar.

 

[clubchamp98]

Was VAR really brought in to look at niggley wee tackles in the middle of the park?

Not really ,but it’s been used to disallow goals all season.
I think what most people want is consistency.
I would ditch it, but was in favour at first.
It’s the idiots using it not the tech.

 

[TheDiablo]

when you compare our squad to the most expensive squad ever assembled then it’s always going to look inferior but for a such a poor depth squad how have we managed to win 125 points from the last 144 on offer whilst suffering injuries to most of the squad bar one player. And how the hell have we manage to do so well when we aren’t particularly good in CM.

Or maybe we are a lot better than people want to give credit for - is our CM as good as Citys , Nope but it’s better than the rest in the Prem and has done a very good job against all the others in Europe and there is a lot more returning depth both in CM and up front l

You've not missed key players at the same time, or barring Alison for any length of time

You've 5 truly world class players and you get 4 or 5 of them out every single week. That's genuinely impressive fitness wise. The rest of the prem outside the top 2 has about 6 truly world class between them all, at a stretch. So you should be dominating by miles between you both. You're miles and miles better than the rest.

Your midfield in comparison to others you compete with is bang average, in my opinion. Outside Fabinho you need to overhaul it in the next couple of years. The same can be said of City's defence. Not bad, just average in comparison to similar teams.

 

[TheDiablo]

Yes, and for the first time in decades we've only needed 1-2 players and not 4+.

I wanted another player who would be able to replace mane/Sadio/Bobby and without too much of a quality decrease - thinking Zaha or similar.

The exciting thing for you guys is that it's been 4+ just to try and get competitive. Now it's 1-2 just to add depth to a world class team

Maybe it will come in hindsight if you run out of steam, but genuinely surprised there was none to minimal criticism following no investment.