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Burnley are the Bolton / stoke of the league

We finally got rid of those 2 anti football and another springs up

Partly blame the ref for letting them get away with it, if he books the keeper early on for doing it then he's stuffed if he does it again. Basically gave them a license to get away with it.
 

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Not enough in it to be a “clear and obvious error” to overrule the refs initial decision
Then VAR ain't working as it should!

Kane was simply taken out. Can't see why it wasn't obvious to the Ref in the first place. So-oo obvious in review mode!

Btw. 1. I'm a 'neutral' for that game! 2. Stadium looks great!
 

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We were awful yesterday, very lucky to get a point.
But one thing I can take away from the game, at least I don't have to watch Burnley every week. Complete anti football. Wasting time from the 5th minute. Pathetic.
Completely agree. I had the misfortune to watch Brighton last year, it was exactly the same. Luckily they appear slightly better this time around so we're only left with this lot.
They don't really get called out for it enough in the national media cos everyone is looking the other way.
 

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Then VAR ain't working as it should!

Kane was simply taken out. Can't see why it wasn't obvious to the Ref in the first place. So-oo obvious in review mode!

Btw. 1. I'm a 'neutral' for that game! 2. Stadium looks great!
blimey. I've just watched this (as a kind of neutral) and it's amazing how different it looked to me.
The lad lost his balance, and Kane deliberately changed direction away from the ball to make sure he fell over him. Now it's true that he's made a career out of it, but that doesn't make it a foul....
 

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blimey. I've just watched this (as a kind of neutral) and it's amazing how different it looked to me.
The lad lost his balance, and Kane deliberately changed direction away from the ball to make sure he fell over him. Now it's true that he's made a career out of it, but that doesn't make it a foul....

Which is exactly how I saw it and called it.
There is no way that that was a penalty, no way at all.
 

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blimey. I've just watched this (as a kind of neutral) and it's amazing how different it looked to me.
The lad lost his balance, and Kane deliberately changed direction away from the ball to make sure he fell over him. Now it's true that he's made a career out of it, but that doesn't make it a foul....
Which is exactly how I saw it and called it.
There is no way that that was a penalty, no way at all.
Ha ha. I was worried that the only people who had liked my remark until you replied were two West ham supporters. Was beginning to think I was less neutral than I'd imagined...
But then, one of the joys of sport is non-neutrality, so maybe that wouldn't be so had.
 

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Partly blame the ref for letting them get away with it, if he books the keeper early on for doing it then he's stuffed if he does it again. Basically gave them a license to get away with it.
Seen this for the last couple of years with Burnley, but never wanted to say owt for sounding " bitter". But at times I have seen ther first team sheet and thought there's footballers in that team that are betterball than time wasting. In the same sense that City can be ruthless in " tackles🤔" week after week. And " get away with it " to an extent that refs know what is going off. They know what is going off with Burnley and time wasting.
 
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blimey. I've just watched this (as a kind of neutral) and it's amazing how different it looked to me.
The lad lost his balance, and Kane deliberately changed direction away from the ball to make sure he fell over him. Now it's true that he's made a career out of it, but that doesn't make it a foul....

Seen it again and I agree with this - Kane made sure by moving into the player away from the ball that he was going to be hit and fall over - he does it very well and gets plenty of pens over the season for it
 

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blimey. I've just watched this (as a kind of neutral) and it's amazing how different it looked to me.
The lad lost his balance, and Kane deliberately changed direction away from the ball to make sure he fell over him. Now it's true that he's made a career out of it, but that doesn't make it a foul....
Apparently he's gods gift to English footy and we should applaud his diving.
 

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blimey. I've just watched this (as a kind of neutral) and it's amazing how different it looked to me.
The lad lost his balance, and Kane deliberately changed direction away from the ball to make sure he fell over him. Now it's true that he's made a career out of it, but that doesn't make it a foul....
You obviously haven't played football if you think. He leans slightly towards the player to hold him off with his strength - obviously he's expecting him to come up to him shoulder to shoulder. But Lascelles has already started to stumble to the ground at this point, before wiping through both his legs.

I'll repeat something I said earlier that a lot of people don't seem to understand. Even if a player is 'looking for' a penalty, let's say he's waiting and anticipating contact from the defender, if they fall for it and make that contact it's still a penalty. There's no law in the game that says "oh the attacker wanted him to foul him there, therefore it's no longer a foul when he hacked him onto the floor". 'Looking for it' is a completely irrelevant phrase and has no basis in the rules.
 
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We were awful yesterday, very lucky to get a point.
But one thing I can take away from the game, at least I don't have to watch Burnley every week. Complete anti football. Wasting time from the 5th minute. Pathetic.

Not sure what “anti football” is but for them it’s all about staying in the Prem and if that means being solid and robust grinding out the wins then fair play to them.
 

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You obviously haven't played football if you think. He leans slightly towards the player to hold him off with his strength - obviously he's expecting him to come up to him shoulder to shoulder. But Lascelles has already started to stumble to the ground at this point, before wiping through both his legs.

I'll repeat something I said earlier that a lot of people don't seem to understand. Even if a player is 'looking for' a penalty, let's say he's waiting and anticipating contact from the defender, if they fall for it and make that contact it's still a penalty. There's no law in the game that says "oh the attacker wanted him to foul him there, therefore it's no longer a foul when he hacked him onto the floor". 'Looking for it' is a completely irrelevant phrase and has no basis in the rules.[/QUOTE]
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No, but it's cheating...or is that sort of cheating allowed by you?

BTW, he wasn't "wiped out" or "hacked to the floor" either
 

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It's not cheating to put yourself in a situation where the opposing player has to foul you, or ends up fouling you.

Wiping someone out is just my vernacular for when a player collides with another and takes both their legs from under them. Call it something else if you like.
 

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It's not cheating to put yourself in a situation where the opposing player has to foul you, or ends up fouling you.

Wiping someone out is just my vernacular for when a player collides with another and takes both their legs from under them. Call it something else if you like.
If Kane continues after the ball or even on the path he is initially on, he stays on his feet. He chose to fall over, as he it prone to do, but this ref didn't buy it.
 

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2 because the VAR didn’t believe him either apparently

As I’ve said previous

The ref explains his decision

Let’s say dean says I believe he has done what was posted above.. taken himself towards the player etc

Var will go can see why given no error

If he had been hacked down and dean had said this var would just say sorry you got that wrong this is what happened
 

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It's not cheating to put yourself in a situation where the opposing player has to foul you, or ends up fouling you.

Wiping someone out is just my vernacular for when a player collides with another and takes both their legs from under them. Call it something else if you like.

It's not cheating to put yourself in that sort of position, no. But that's not what happened. Lascelles fell to the floor and Harry Kane *chose* to fall over him. Kane easily could have got to the ball.
 

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It's not cheating to put yourself in that sort of position, no. But that's not what happened. Lascelles fell to the floor and Harry Kane *chose* to fall over him. Kane easily could have got to the ball.
Kane initially lost balance because as the defender comes he's leaning towards him to hold him off, but Lascelles never arrives at shoulder height because he's already going to the floor that's all. There is no doubt in my mind that Kane's plan would have been to get the ball and score given that he'd not had a sniff all day - not try and win a cheap penalty when he was basically through on goal. Then Lascelles tumbles head first into his legs.
 
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