Please help me...........

[MadAdey]

Exactly how do clubs work out your handicap. Is it not done via a computer based system that you feed all the cards into then it works them out for you? IF that is the case then can the user have any influence on changing what the computer is saying?

 

[BTatHome]

Ours is done by the Club2000 system, and so it automated once you put the card into the computer.

You can be DQ'd, which would change your score

I guess they could also change your score if you actual card was different to what you had put into the computer. I'm sure there are many reasons for this as your card is your completed entry to the competition, not your entry into the computer.

 

[chrisd]

Club 2000 is the system I believe most use. Clubs can and do make adjustments on the computer, I recently had a .1 reduction made after it had been put on wrongly.


Chris

 

[MadAdey]

So regarding general play does the computer actually look at your last few rounds to try and make general play cuts on you or does that have to be done by the handicap committee?

 

[rosecott]

Exactly how do clubs work out your handicap. Is it not done via a computer based system that you feed all the cards into then it works them out for you? IF that is the case then can the user have any influence on changing what the computer is saying?

The processing of scores is automatic but your handicap committee should be monitoring results to ensure that any "General Play" issues will be addressed, From next month, the computer software will automatically flag up where urgent "General Play" action needs to take place.

 

[rosecott]

You can be DQ'd, which would change your score

Not necessarily - you can be DQ'd with a correct score, and, if appropriate, be chopped.

 

[Oddsocks]

The processing of scores is automatic but your handicap committee should be monitoring results to ensure that any "General Play" issues will be addressed, From next month, the computer software will automatically flag up where urgent "General Play" action needs to take place.

can you give examples.

 

[rosecott]

can you give examples.

Sorry - do you mean examples of current practice or 2012 changes?

 

[Oddsocks]

sorry rosecott, example where the computer software will automatically flag up where urgent "General Play" action needs to take place.

 

[rosecott]

sorry rosecott, example where the computer software will automatically flag up where urgent "General Play" action needs to take place.

There will be a new ESR (Exceptional Score Reduction) trialled in England, Ireland and Wales (I think the Scots expect to have exceptional scores).
ESR will apply to Cats 3 and 4 only and the trigger is nett differential of -4 or better twice within a specified number of qualifiers.
One individual score of nett differential -4 or better is not considered exceptional.

Handcap committees can accept or decline the ESR recommendation but are strongly urged to accept.

 

[harvey4banger]

Think its all worked out of the day, according to what the standard scratch for that comp was. Which I believe is normally par or +1 dependent on that days scoring. I think if you come in +2 or +3 shots over SS, your handicap remains the same, anything over that that you gain 0.1 of a shot, even if you NR.

Something along those lines, confuses the hell out of me

 

[JezzE]

There will be a new ESR (Exceptional Score Reduction) trialled in England, Ireland and Wales (I think the Scots expect to have exceptional scores).
ESR will apply to Cats 3 and 4 only and the trigger is nett differential of -4 or better twice within a specified number of qualifiers.
One individual score of nett differential -4 or better is not considered exceptional.

Handcap committees can accept or decline the ESR recommendation but are strongly urged to accept.

Think category 2 are also included in the trial scheme - it's only category 1 that it won't apply to...

 

[Oddsocks]

the ESR sounds good, should help people get down quicker, only down side is 2 good rounds could give you a HC that some cant play to,

 

[rosecott]

Think category 2 are also included in the trial scheme - it's only category 1 that it won't apply to...

No CONGU booklet yet and the handicap software companies are still waiting for the final 2012 details from CONGU but, at the seminar, they said Cats 1 and 2 excluded from ESR.

 

[rosecott]

the ESR sounds good, should help people get down quicker, only down side is 2 good rounds could give you a HC that some cant play to,

If you can do it twice then ..................

 

[JezzE]

No CONGU booklet yet and the handicap software companies are still waiting for the final 2012 details from CONGU but, at the seminar, they said Cats 1 and 2 excluded from ESR.

Okay - last info I received said only Cat 1 to be excluded though...

 

[need_my_wedge]

Not applicable to CAT1 & CAT2 players according to this

http://www.knowlegolfclub.co.uk/pdf/CONGU.pdf

 

[MadAdey]

I agree with everyone you talk to about they have to figure out a way to cut handicaps quicker, while still being fair to those players so they do not end up with a handicap they can't play to. Someone I was chatting to about this said about an idea that may work. This is what he suggested:

Let the computer system keep tracking scores and sorting handicaps with an extra part to it. The software constantly monitors the last 3 rounds. So for instance someone who is doing really well and playing well below his handicap would then get cut like this. For the purpose of this lets just say the SSS CSS and par is 72, so we will work off that.
Player A is off 24.4. Shoots a 90. Gets cut automatically 2.4 shots so now down to 22.
goes out again and shoots 86 looses 2.5 so now down to 19.5
goes out again and shoots 85 looses 2.1 so now down to 17.4
so for the 3 rounds he has averaged 87 which is 2 shots lower than his 17 handicap.
Would a handicap committee really look at having him on general play?
But if the software then took a further 0.5 off him for every shot his average is under his handicap that would cut him down to 16.4. Without the handicap committee even having to look into it.

Not sure what people think about this but I do like the idea of maybe taking the extra shot hear and there from people to try and keep people from a more realistic handicap. But hey with not being someone who has anything to do with handicaps not that sure really how handicap committees really look into things.

 

[rosecott]

Player A is off 24.4. Shoots a 90. Gets cut automatically 2.4 shots so now down to 22.
goes out again and shoots 86 looses 2.5 so now down to 19.5
goes out again and shoots 85 looses 2.1 so now down to 17.4
so for the 3 rounds he has averaged 87 which is 2 shots lower than his 17 handicap.
Would a handicap committee really look at having him on general play?

Under the current rules, I would expect them to. Our handicap committee meets every 2 months but, if a player played 3 rounds as in your example, the Handicap Chairman would be in touch with the other committee members very soon after the guy's third round. "Exceptional circumstances" is the trigger for action between annual reviews.
ESR will be expected to do the same thing on a more formal basis.

 

[JezzE]

Not applicable to CAT1 & CAT2 players according to this

http://www.knowlegolfclub.co.uk/pdf/CONGU.pdf

Last document I read said cat 1 only with the added proviso that a player couldn't be cut from cat 2 into cat 1 via an ESR (only down to 5.5). But I don't know which is the more recent document - yours or mine...