Playing onto frozen greens!

delc said:
I played really well this morning, but only ended up with 16 Stableford points from 9 holes. The main reason for this was that approach shots to our frozen greens were bouncing off them like ping-pong balls, usually into some sort of trouble off the back. Thanks to my improved chipping, I managed some sort of reasonable score, but this was far from easy. I should mention that our course has USGA spec greens, which seem very good at staying frozen when the rest of the course is thawing out! When I tried to land the ball short and bounce it onto the green, it usually stuck in the grass where it landed. I seemed to be in a no win situation! :(
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I dream of 16 points
 
16pts. I'm guessing that as you don't say ONLY 16pts you're happy. I would be.

just re read your post. So you're moaning about 16 puts in those conditions. Reality check required
 
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Hobbit said:
16pts. I'm guessing that as you don't say ONLY 16pts you're happy. I would be.

just re read your post. So you're moaning about 16 puts in those conditions. Reality check required
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I think I would have scored about 23 points for 9 holes on a normal day! The best ball striking round I've had for ages! :)
 
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HomerJSimpson said:
If your greens were that frozen, why aren't you on temps. Can't see any merit playing on them in that condition and surely there will be damage to the green
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on what basis? plenty of evidence that once greens are fully frozen very little damage is done, the damage is done when they are partially frozen (defrosting) and the roots can get badly damaged.

fwiw i see no point playing golf on a frozen course as it becomes a lottery, but theres plenty of courses these days who dont close greens for frost and show little damage for it
 
You can stay on the greens when it's frozen for a couple of days as it does no material damage to the roots - after 5 days of heavy frost though then it becomes possible that damage could be done

We stay on full greens for 5 days of frost then go onto temps - did it last winter and this year had our best greens Evers
 
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fundy said:
on what basis? plenty of evidence that once greens are fully frozen very little damage is done, the damage is done when they are partially frozen (defrosting) and the roots can get badly damaged.

fwiw i see no point playing golf on a frozen course as it becomes a lottery, but theres plenty of courses these days who dont close greens for frost and show little damage for it
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Care to share this evidence. The green keepers I know all think there's damage done which is why my club and several others are on temps in the frost. I'm not saying you're wrong but if thinking etc has moved on it may be worth sharing this with them
 
HomerJSimpson said:
Care to share this evidence. The green keepers I know all think there's damage done which is why my club and several others are on temps in the frost. I'm not saying you're wrong but if thinking etc has moved on it may be worth sharing this with them
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dont have it to hand but sure its been discussed on here before if you search for it, has to be something in it the amount of courses that dont take greens off for frost these days
 
HomerJSimpson said:
Care to share this evidence. The green keepers I know all think there's damage done which is why my club and several others are on temps in the frost. I'm not saying you're wrong but if thinking etc has moved on it may be worth sharing this with them
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We play all the time on frozen greens and even a light frost and it has no impact on the playing surfaces at all, we never have temporary greens either.

we close the course when a deep frost is thawing out quickly as that's when the most damage is done.

each head greenkeeper has their own opinion on the subject.
 
delc said:
I played really well this morning, but only ended up with 16 Stableford points from 9 holes. The main reason for this was that approach shots to our frozen greens were bouncing off them like ping-pong balls, usually into some sort of trouble off the back. Thanks to my improved chipping, I managed some sort of reasonable score, but this was far from easy. I should mention that our course has USGA spec greens, which seem very good at staying frozen when the rest of the course is thawing out! When I tried to land the ball short and bounce it onto the green, it usually stuck in the grass where it landed. I seemed to be in a no win situation! :(
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If I get to your age I'll just be grateful I'm this side of the frozen turf Delc :D
 
The OP lacks one or more of the following:

Appreciation of the ground conditions
Understanding of how that will impact the bounce and roll
The skill set to select and execute the best shot for the conditions
Luck
 
DCB said:
I don't understand why play is taking place on "frozen greens" surely this is the time to protect them and either use temps or close the course.
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But it's doesn't do that much damage - our old greenkeeper to them off the greens the minute frost happened - new greenkeeper last year kept us on them - best greens we have ever had. They were thawing out today and could see no damage on them.

We will only go onto temps after 5 days of consecutive heavy frost when the frost starts to get into the roots
 
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