Fozzie
Club Champion
To be perfectly honest, I didn't hear what he declared on the tee when he hit his provisional. I saw his 1st ball land & that was good enough for me. I certainly wasn't expecting him to pull a stunt like he did.
Played a cheat yesterday
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Bratty
Princess Pouty (Queen of Fish Lips)
Having re-read your original post, he's cheated, plain and simple!
Foxholer
Blackballed
Er. Can you point out the section of The Rules that specifies this?
The games full of em and that's why my soul purpose is to beat my own HCP and not worry about winning comps as its a loosing battle.
Foxholer
Blackballed
I can't understand why you didn't challenge him! Shock?
After 10 holes, the original ball would almost certainly be more battered than (a new) one just put into play.
Usual story in such incidents though. there's sufficient doubt that what someone suspects might not have happened. And what might have happened isn't crystal clear!
Fozzie
Club Champion
That was it, I just couldn't believe how blatant it was. I stewed on it for a while & to be honest it ruined my card. I was out in 39 & looking good for a PB until that incident. Think I followed up with 3 double bogeys in 4 holes.
Fozzie
Club Champion
Oh God !!!! I've just checked my card & he even won a hole from me when I had a shot on him. I had a Par 5, he birdied it. Should have been a half & he claimed a hole. I know I should have realised, but the Better Ball pairs we were playing at the time confused it. So I actually beat him off 3/4 the difference !
I specifically carry a different brand to play as a provisional, but, on the odd occasion I still play with my usual brand, I always declare the number which will be different to the 1st shot.
The lack of clarity and just declaring a provisional can lead to this so if its not in the rules to use a different brand, number or marking so the 2 balls, or more in some cases, can be distinguished, it should be.
The lack of clarity and just declaring a provisional can lead to this so if its not in the rules to use a different brand, number or marking so the 2 balls, or more in some cases, can be distinguished, it should be.
duncan mackie
Money List Winner
how on earth can you play a better ball match simultaneously with singles?!? Recipie for a rules disaster.
as to the original post, I've played this game too often to believe I can be absolutely certain as to which of two balls that were hooked through trees & towards the 9th green and pulled it into the trees was which - it's bad enough when there aren't trees involved!
you're probably right; but to make such accusations on the basis of a balance of probabilities doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Bratty
Princess Pouty (Queen of Fish Lips)
Nope, cos it's not in the rules
However, as an interpretation of the rules, I would argue that in order to successfully identify my ball (under rule 12.1, I think), I should both know what number or markings I've put on it, and should tell my playing partners so that they may assist me.
North Mimms
Tour Winner
You were playing singles matchplay against him while simultaneously playing 4BBB with your partner C and against his partner D?
Sounds bonkers! My game plan for singles is totally different from playing 4BBB... so you are putting for a half in the 4BBB cos your partner is out of the hole, but the same putt might be "two putts for a win" in singles. Do you hit it firmly to take the break out, knowing that if you miss, it doesn't matter if you go way long as the hole is lost, or do you lag it up to the hole for a tap in win?
That's a format I am never going to play!
Foxholer
Blackballed
Nope, cos it's not in the rules
However, as an interpretation of the rules, I would argue that in order to successfully identify my ball (under rule 12.1, I think), I should both know what number or markings I've put on it, and should tell my playing partners so that they may assist me.
Interpreting The Rules tends to create such myths. Read them literally. The have been written quite carefully.
No need to even put a mark on the ball - though not doing so carries risk. Definitely no need to tell anyone ht ball you are using - until a search. You don't even need to announce you are changing ball!
None of the above precludes you from doing so or isn't good practice/manners.
But to state a player MUST announce Brand and Number (and mark) is simply wrong!
Bratty
Princess Pouty (Queen of Fish Lips)
I agree with everything you've said, and agree that it was wrong to say they must, which I confess I had heard somewhere myself as a change to the rules. I would like to retract my statement, "As an interpretation" and change that to, "in order to not fall foul of the rules, I believe..." and that, I then feel, conveys the sentiment I was attempting.
MrMr
Hacker
Never sign the card of a cheat.
markgs
Tour Rookie
I play against a guy regularly who can not count
chrisd
Major Champion
But you must confront him at the time I believe, and not just refuse to sign!
I agree, the moment has passed, get it out in the open immediately.
D
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I read right through this thread and it's a catalogue of errors.
Firstly, if the OP saw the original ball land on the green, why didn't you tell your opponent that you can see his ball rather than let him play a provisional?
Secondly, why on earth were you combining a singles and a pairs competition at the same time? As rightly pointed out, the 2 formats could work against each other.
Thirdly, no point refusing to sign his card in a matchplay situation.....there won't be one.
I think the OP has to put this down to experience and be a bit more authorative next time. Live and learn mate :thup:
Firstly, if the OP saw the original ball land on the green, why didn't you tell your opponent that you can see his ball rather than let him play a provisional?
Secondly, why on earth were you combining a singles and a pairs competition at the same time? As rightly pointed out, the 2 formats could work against each other.
Thirdly, no point refusing to sign his card in a matchplay situation.....there won't be one.
I think the OP has to put this down to experience and be a bit more authorative next time. Live and learn mate :thup:
