Ping or Benross Drivers

Craigg said:
Well I stand corrected, and somewhat surprised that this is happening within such a big name. Maybe this is due to a cost cutting measure, a cheaper manufacturer, a by-product of the global recession. Either way it's not good for such a recognised make to be producing rubbish.
I'm still not sure it warrants the generalisation of poor build quality. There are many many set's of Ping clubs out there, pre G20/25 which are built well and have stood the test of time. But, they need to be careful. A good reputation is difficult to gain, and oh so easy to lose.
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As with any manufacturer on any equipment there will always be instances of products having issues - i would expect all of them at times have had issues
 
Craigg said:
You have a reputable source for this of course?
I would be interested in reading about it as I will be in the market to replace my eye 2's in the spring.
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Yes. My eyes.

Regarding the clubfitter, he wasn't referring to the quality of the clubs but the quality of the workmanship. The tour player was ordering his clubs set up to particular loft/lie/grip thickness etc and they were not correct when delivered. He had to readjust everything to the correct specs for him.

I heard this directly from the clubfitter, not from somebody in the pub who knows a guy that lives next door to his cousin.
 
drive4show said:
Yes. My eyes. So that's a no then

Regarding the clubfitter, he wasn't referring to the quality of the clubs but the quality of the workmanship. The tour player was ordering his clubs set up to particular loft/lie/grip thickness etc and they were not correct when delivered. He had to readjust everything to the correct specs for him. So, nothing to do with "poor build quality" as you first stated then, just incorrect specs.
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Don't wish to get into a keyboard argument my friend, but if you make a statement like that you need some backed up evidence. The internet is full enough of peoples own opinions which others take as fact. It can be damaging at best, or Libellous at worst.
On a personal not, I am genuinely interested in any problems that Ping may have as I will think twice before buying. This is why I want the evidence, and for no other reason.
 
Craigg said:


Don't wish to get into a keyboard argument my friend, but if you make a statement like that you need some backed up evidence. The internet is full enough of peoples own opinions which others take as fact. It can be damaging at best, or Libellous at worst.
On a personal not, I am genuinely interested in any problems that Ping may have as I will think twice before buying. This is why I want the evidence, and for no other reason.
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I certainly wouldn't be put off buying Ping.
 
Craigg said:


Don't wish to get into a keyboard argument my friend, but if you make a statement like that you need some backed up evidence. The internet is full enough of peoples own opinions which others take as fact. It can be damaging at best, or Libellous at worst.
On a personal not, I am genuinely interested in any problems that Ping may have as I will think twice before buying. This is why I want the evidence, and for no other reason.
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Well done, you have just called me a liar.

So you are saying that the fact that I have seen 2 individual sets of i20 irons owned by 2 of my friends with missing weight ports is made up?

And your 2nd point, I agree that it's not the quality of the clubs at fault but it is poor workmanship and quality control when Ping can't get the specs right for one of their tour players.
 
drive4show said:
Well done, you have just called me a liar.

So you are saying that the fact that I have seen 2 individual sets of i20 irons owned by 2 of my friends with missing weight ports is made up?

And your 2nd point, I agree that it's not the quality of the clubs at fault but it is poor workmanship and quality control when Ping can't get the specs right for one of their tour players.
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I am not calling you a liar, but I can't base the future purchase of my new irons on what you may or may not have seen. I need some statistics, backed up with hard evidence. At the moment I'm struggling to find anything which will make me want to change camps.
 
Craigg said:


Don't wish to get into a keyboard argument my friend, but if you make a statement like that you need some backed up evidence. The internet is full enough of peoples own opinions which others take as fact. It can be damaging at best, or Libellous at worst.
On a personal not, I am genuinely interested in any problems that Ping may have as I will think twice before buying. This is why I want the evidence, and for no other reason.
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So my personal experience of poor workmanship didn't count then with a totally different model as to what was being discussed at the time :mmm:
 
Craigg said:
I am not calling you a liar, but I can't base the future purchase of my new irons on what you may or may not have seen. I need some statistics, backed up with hard evidence. At the moment I'm struggling to find anything which will make me want to change camps.
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Oh, I must have misunderstood.

You asked if I had any proof of poor quality and I gave you 2 examples that I have seen with my own eyes and you dismissed that as made up.

Sorry......my bad.

Just a word of advice........there are loads of people on here that are willing to help you out with all things golf related. If you want them to help you out can I suggest that you make a bit more of an effort to endear yourself to them?

Just saying.
 
drive4show said:
Oh, I must have misunderstood.


Just a word of advice........there are loads of people on here that are willing to help you out with all things golf related. If you want them to help you out can I suggest that you make a bit more of an effort to endear yourself to them?

Just saying.
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Thanks for the advice, but I've managed life so far without it, so I'll not take it if that's ok. And if I'm black balled by the forum for having a reasonable debate, then so be it. I might be new to this forum my friend, but I'm certainly not new to life.
So reasoned argument is frowned upon by the members of this forum? Maybe a small minority as with all of these forums, but I think on the whole most of the members will appreciate reasoned debate without mud slinging or personal insults.
You have seen two examples of Ping clubs with defects. You can show me no proof or evidence. I don't dispute you saw what you saw. But that is you, not me. I am still searching for my evidence that Ping clubs, and I quote, are of "poor build quality". This is a massive generalisation based on two sets of irons. (we've already established you misquoted the club fitter)
I will say no more on the subject. I feel I have made my point, and I will leave it to everyone to make there own minds up.

I must also apologise to the OP for seemingly hijacking the thread. It seems reading some of the posts that Benross are a decent buy for the money. I have no experience myself but I will keep reading the thread with interest.
 
Pin-seeker said:
Fish feeling left out?? :rofl:
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Yeah, he's just picking who he wants to fight and argue with and yet I experienced poor workmanship with brand new Ping irons but obviously he wants to ignore hard fact evidence and just attempt to pick holes in D4S experiences.

I'm off to fight somewhere else snigger.gif
 
Craigg said:
Thanks for the advice, but I've managed life so far without it, so I'll not take it if that's ok. And if I'm black balled by the forum for having a reasonable debate, then so be it. I might be new to this forum my friend, but I'm certainly not new to life.
So reasoned argument is frowned upon by the members of this forum? Maybe a small minority as with all of these forums, but I think on the whole most of the members will appreciate reasoned debate without mud slinging or personal insults.
You have seen two examples of Ping clubs with defects. You can show me no proof or evidence. I don't dispute you saw what you saw. But that is you, not me. I am still searching for my evidence that Ping clubs, and I quote, are of "poor build quality". This is a massive generalisation based on two sets of irons. (we've already established you misquoted the club fitter)
I will say no more on the subject. I feel I have made my point, and I will leave it to everyone to make there own minds up.

I must also apologise to the OP for seemingly hijacking the thread. It seems reading some of the posts that Benross are a decent buy for the money. I have no experience myself but I will keep reading the thread with interest.
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With all due respect, but all you will ever have to go on is personal experience. There is no independent source of info on manufacturers quality control. Ping customer service will have it but they're hardly gonna share it. All you have to go on is your experience and that of your peers. D4S kindly shared his experience, and you hit him with the rolled up magazine of proof!!

I like ping clubs, I have no issue with their build quality, however others do have. It's all about experience.

On a side note. I notice you're a little spiky, disregarded posts that don't suit your argument and are full of preconceived opinion.......welcome aboard, you'll fit in perfectly. :thup: :D
 
Craigg said:
See post 38
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Yes I saw post #38, it was where you answered Phils non-personal experience which was posted after my personal experience, but never mind, I know where I'm not wanted......

Your obviously a Ping whore with all the Ping merchandise to match and nothing will change that unless something personally happens to you because you dismiss anything else as hearsay.
 
Fish said:
Yes I saw post #38, it was where you answered Phils non-personal experience which was posted after my personal experience, but never mind, I know where I'm not wanted......

Your obviously a Ping whore with all the Ping merchandise to match and nothing will change that unless something personally happens to you because you dismiss anything else as hearsay.
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Forgive me for not answering your post personally. I was mistaken in thinking that my reference to being corrected on G20/25 clubs would be enough for you. I didn't realise I had to answer everything in person. As for your other comment. Not worthy of a reply really.
 
Craigg said:
Thanks for the advice, but I've managed life so far without it, so I'll not take it if that's ok. And if I'm black balled by the forum for having a reasonable debate, then so be it. I might be new to this forum my friend, but I'm certainly not new to life.
So reasoned argument is frowned upon by the members of this forum? Maybe a small minority as with all of these forums, but I think on the whole most of the members will appreciate reasoned debate without mud slinging or personal insults.
You have seen two examples of Ping clubs with defects. You can show me no proof or evidence. I don't dispute you saw what you saw. But that is you, not me. I am still searching for my evidence that Ping clubs, and I quote, are of "poor build quality". This is a massive generalisation based on two sets of irons. (we've already established you misquoted the club fitter)
I will say no more on the subject. I feel I have made my point, and I will leave it to everyone to make there own minds up.

I must also apologise to the OP for seemingly hijacking the thread. It seems reading some of the posts that Benross are a decent buy for the money. I have no experience myself but I will keep reading the thread with interest.
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Well done on getting through life without accepting any advice, that makes you either very clever because you know everything or very stupid because you don't listen to people who are willing to share their experiences.

The only person throwing insults around is you.

And you're not my friend, you are a random stranger on an internet forum.
 
drive4show said:
Well done on getting through life without accepting any advice, that makes you either very clever because you know everything or very stupid because you don't listen to people who are willing to share their experiences. Of course I've heeded advice through my life. Just not off anyone who readily misquotes another to slot into a discussion.
The only person throwing insults around is you. I will re-read the thread, but I don't remember throwing insults around?

And you're not my friend, you are a random stranger on an internet forum. Can't argue with that one.
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I won't offer any comebacks after your next tirade. I feel I have helped ruin the OP's thread as it is. I will slink off into the corner and speak when I'm spoken to.(not looking good there then). I promise to agree to all arguments put before me and never to challenge any potentially libellous statement again.
Have a nice evening.
PS.
I really did only want to get to the bottom of the Ping thing, and I will read the info posted by "BTatHome with interest. Thanks for posting them.
 
Craigg said:
I won't offer any comebacks after your next tirade. I feel I have helped ruin the OP's thread as it is. I will slink off into the corner and speak when I'm spoken to.(not looking good there then). I promise to agree to all arguments put before me and never to challenge any potentially libellous statement again.
Have a nice evening.
PS.
I really did only want to get to the bottom of the Ping thing, and I will read the info posted by "BTatHome with interest. Thanks for posting them.
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Tirade? Really not sure how you work that one out, I would call it a 'response'

Everything was going along quite nicely on this thread until post #44 where you blatantly insinuated I was telling lies by disputing what I saw. Not sure how you came to that decision, what did you base your judgement on? I have seen 2 sets of i20 irons with missing weight ports and you accuse me of telling lies. What's that all about?

Anyway, this discussion has pretty much run it's course now. People come on this forum asking for advice about all sorts of things and people take the time and effort to help them out, that's what is so good about this place. I'm always happy to offer any advice I can, generally on courses to play or avoid as I've played more courses than most people but you know what, for some strange reason I'm really not feeling the inclination to help you out in future.
 
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