Pick and place

[faroyon]

Hi Guys, hopefully you can lighten my darkness.
Is it correct that under the 'new rules' you can now have qualifying comps with pick and place anywhere, if so, could you tell me where I can find it written down. Thanks

 

[Homer]

No

 

[jim8flog]

You could look at Model Local Rule E2 - Cleaning the ball

I am not sure if having this LR would make a competition non qualifying.

 

[duncan mackie]

Hi Guys, hopefully you can lighten my darkness.
Is it correct that under the 'new rules' you can now have qualifying comps with pick and place anywhere, if so, could you tell me where I can find it written down. Thanks

The rules on qualifying comps are the CONGU manual.
Whilst there are specific decisions in the manual the overriding principle is that you may run Q comps with any sanctioned rule, or LR, in place unless specifically stated to the contrary.
The only example of this within the new rules is that you cannot implement the new LR for a ball lost, or OOB.
You may implement MLR E2 ( lift clean and replace in the general area) or MLR E3 (lift clean and place on grass cut to fairway height or less in the general area).
There is no Model Local Rule for lift clean and place anywhere in the general area - therefore you cannot run a Q comp if you have implemented one yourselves.

 

[rulefan]

I have had confirmation that the new wording of the LR (ie without the requirement to mark the ball) must be used for it to be a qualifier.

E2 does not affect qualification

 

[oltimer]

I have had confirmation that the new wording of the LR (ie without the requirement to mark the ball) must be used for it to be a qualifier.

E2 does not affect qualification

Clarification please - does this mean that with Lift clean and Replace in force the comps are still qualifiers, also the congu manual states position must be marked before lifting.

 

[duncan mackie]

Clarification please - does this mean that with Lift clean and Replace in force the comps are still qualifiers, also the congu manual states position must be marked before lifting.

As already posted, and the CONGU manual was reflecting the old LR

 

[oltimer]

As already posted, and the CONGU manual was reflecting the old LR

Assume that is a yes - are you saying (old LR) the online congu manual is not up to date, (it doesn`t take much to confuse some of us)

 

[rulefan]

Assume that is a yes - are you saying (old LR) the online congu manual is not up to date, (it doesn`t take much to confuse some of us)

Last time I looked it hadn't been updated. I got my ruling from England Golf

 

[oltimer]

Last time I looked it hadn't been updated. I got my ruling from England Golf

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Last time I looked it hadn't been updated. I got my ruling from England Golf

Thanks Gents - got it now I think, It was the bit about NOT having to mark it that was throwing me as I understood that any ball to be "replaced" had to have its position marked.

 

[rulefan]

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Thanks Gents - got it now I think, It was the bit about NOT having to mark it that was throwing me as I understood that any ball to be "replaced" had to have its position marked.

Yes 'replaced' is the key word. Preferred Lies is 'placed' (somewhere else).

 

[Bunkermagnet]

We have prefered lies in the winter, whereby we can mark, lift, wipe and replace within 6 inches no nearer the hole on fairways or closely mown area only and our winter medals are qualifying.

 

[jim8flog]

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Thanks Gents - got it now I think, It was the bit about NOT having to mark it that was throwing me as I understood that any ball to be "replaced" had to have its position marked.

E2 requires the ball to be replaced therefore it would need to be marked before lifting.

We had discussed at our club about introducing this local rule a couple of years ago but felt it would to open to abuse.

Thanks for the confirmation that it does not affect qualifying status. When we have a new committee next year I might suggest it's introduction again.

 

[rosecott]

We have prefered lies in the winter, whereby we can mark, lift, wipe and replace within 6 inches no nearer the hole on fairways or closely mown area only and our winter medals are qualifying.

There is no longer a requirement to mark and the ball is to be placed rather than replaced.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

There is no longer a requirement to mark and the ball is to be placed rather than replaced.

Yes I know, but it's still good practice, and i meant "placed".
My main point was we still have qualifying rounds under those conidtions

 

[rulefan]

We have prefered lies in the winter, whereby we can mark, lift, wipe and replace within 6 inches no nearer the hole on fairways or closely mown area only and our winter medals are qualifying.

If your current preferred lies local rule still specifies the requirement to mark, I'm afraid your competitions do not satisfy the qualifier status requirements.
"The 2019 wording must be used"

This doesn't mean that the player must not mark his ball. Simply that he cannot be required to. He may if he wishes to. Generally recommended if he is intending to move to his towel to clean it.