Phillip Hammond

[Deleted member 15344]

You hate being wrong or corrected don't you?..Looking at a map,or wikipedia does not cut it.

So which continent do you believe Ukraine belongs in ?

 

[Rumpokid]

Putin isn't acting like a tyrant then by bullying his way to take over a country !

Bit like our country then!!!!.Wake up!!!!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Bit like our country then!!!!.Wake up!!!!

Yes because in this country we see troops killing people - passenger planes shot down - whole regions taken over by rebels funded and armed by another country

Yes it's exactly like this country.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Wikpeidia about as accurate as the Daily Mail so I won't be placing huge stock on what they say. They compete in Eurovision so good enough for me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Foxholer]

Doesn't really matter what they say - Ukraine is part of the continent of Europe just as Russia is

Ha! True enough geographically!

Quite different Culturally/Politically!

Here's a 'better' subdivision http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/Grossgliederung_Europas-en.svg

They compete in Eurovision so good enough for me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So does Russia!

 

[Rumpokid]

So which continent do you believe Ukraine belongs in ?

Look, read and understand, my point is not about looking at an atlas...Are you serious???...It was initially about Hammonds throw away comments, and possible repercussions..Just stop trying to make the thread into something it is not...By the way, What is the capital of Bongo Bongo, being as you are so up on Geography..

 

[Rumpokid]

Yes because in this country we see troops killing people - passenger planes shot down - whole regions taken over by rebels funded and armed by another country

Yes it's exactly like this country.

Bit like Libya then.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Look, read and understand, my point is not about looking at an atlas...Are you serious???...It was initially about Hammonds throw away comments, and possible repercussions..Just stop trying to make the thread into something it is not...By the way, What is the capital of Bongo Bongo, being as you are so up on Geography..

Not making it about anything

You made a statement about Ukraine not being part of Europe when it is - simple as that :thup:

And Bongo Bongo is a derogatory comment so won't have a capital :thup:

 

[c1973]

Would it not be better if the folks in the disputed territory had a vote to decide whether they wanted to be part of the Ukraine or brought back into the Russian fold?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Bit like Libya then.

Is another country trying to claim Libya ?

 

[Rumpokid]

Bit like our country then!!!!.Wake up!!!!

Would it not be better if the folks in the disputed territory had a vote to decide whether they wanted to be part of the Ukraine or brought back into the Russian fold?

Yes.Without crass comments from our political 'not so' elite.Although i think, it is easier said than done...I bet yer man is googling and wikiing as we type..you know who...However, he does not know the capital of Bongo Bongo land.

 

[Rumpokid]

Bit like our country then!!!!.Wake up!!!!

Is another country trying to claim Libya ?

Yes.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Not making it about anything

You made a statement about Ukraine not being part of Europe when it is - simple as that :thup:

And Bongo Bongo is a derogatory comment so won't have a capital :thup:

Yes Ukraine is part of Continental Europe, but not in the EU, not in NATO or EEC, they want to be and that's the issue, it would put all the above on the Russian Border and have Russia with NATO in 3 areas, if Ukraine moves towards the west other Countries may follow.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Yes.

You think we are trying to claim Libya ?! :rofl:

 

[Foxholer]

Would it not be better if the folks in the disputed territory had a vote to decide whether they wanted to be part of the Ukraine or brought back into the Russian fold?

They did that, unilaterally, in Crimea. They (the rebels) want something like that in Donbass. Understandably, the government in Kiev is rather reluctant to accede!

I think any referendum would have a different outcome to the 18th September one held in Scotland!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Yes Ukraine is part of Continental Europe, but not in the EU, not in NATO or EEC, they want to be and that's the issue, it would put all the above on the Russian Border and have Russia with NATO in 3 areas, if Ukraine moves towards the west other Countries may follow.

Yep and Russia most certainly don't want Ukraine going that way - can only see it getting worse

 

[c1973]

They did that, unilaterally, in Crimea. They (the rebels) want something like that in Donbass. Understandably, the government in Kiev is rather reluctant to accede!

I think any referendum would have a different outcome to the 18th September one held in Scotland!

As do I.

I'm no expert, but I'd say they view themselves as more Russian than Western European (as that's the direction the democratically elected? Leaders in Kiev want to go).


Bloody shame, it's always those with nowt that seem to suffer most in these situations. Tragic.

 

[Rumpokid]

You think we are trying to claim Libya ?! :rofl:

Yes.Morally.And Iraq, Afghan.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Yep and Russia most certainly don't want Ukraine going that way - hence why now Putin is acting like a tyrant to try and get Ukrainr back under Russian control

Acting like a Tyrant or protecting itself from NATO's advance? let's be honest if he wanted he could simply take it, don't forget what he did in Georgia.

 

[Foxholer]

As do I.

I'm no expert, but I'd say they view themselves as more Russian than Western European (as that's the direction the democratically elected? Leaders in Kiev want to go).


Bloody shame, it's always those with nowt that seem to suffer most in these situations. Tragic.

Absolutely true.

And a shame that a serious thread about the situation is marred by some obscenely petty point-scoring!