Phillip Hammond

[Foxholer]

...But I'm a bit of a cynic when it comes to our leaders intentions.

I'd say a bit more than a bit!

 

[c1973]

I'd say a bit more than a bit!

Hmm,

A paranoid is someone who knows a little of what is going on.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

They only seemed to become a threat to us once the IRA ceased (sort of) being a threat to us imo. I'm not saying they weren't, just that's how I recall it.

It's good for Governments to have you more worried about / focused on external threats rather than what's going on in your own back yard imo. But I'm a bit of a cynic when it comes to our leaders intentions.

Anyway, that's straying from the thread topic.

Threats from Middle East etc were around a good deal earlier than before Iraq 2 and Afghan with incidents in this country

There will always be people out there attacking a free democratic world trying to gain power

ISIS will use Iraq and Afghan as some justification to cause harm

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Possibly. But you hadn't mentioned 'Western' Ukraine earlier. If you are making that division, then, imo, you are agreeing with the Donbass 'rebels' and Putin that it should be politically divided!

And who were the Brits (and others) fighting when Florence Nightingale and the Charge of the Light Brigade did their things!

Like much in that area, it's been successively conquered over that most divisive of concepts - religion, and access to 'Holy Lands'! It's changed hands more times than most countries, probably the most of any in fact! So this development is merely a continuation of history!

Yes I am sorry for not making it clear earlier. I would be in favour of a division of the country along East/West lines.

Just not certain that either Kiev or Moscow would be happy with that solution.

On the history we should perhaps remember that during WWII there were a pretty large number of Ukrainians who served alongside German forces rather than ally themselves with Soviet Russia. Over 70 years later that continues to be an issue.