PC killed on duty

[Tashyboy]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-49368649

Not good at all. Reading the piece it days 10 have been killed in 10 years. Could of been two in 2 weeks with the attack on a PC last week.

 

[clubchamp98]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-49368649

Not good at all. Reading the piece it days 10 have been killed in 10 years. Could of been two in 2 weeks with the attack on a PC last week.

The truth is there’s a lot of people who have no fear of the police.
Even if they do get caught the sentencing is a joke.
This needs to change big time , but not holding my breath.
Commiserations to his family.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Shocking news and the courts need to be tough when sentencing

 

[SocketRocket]

I dont hold strong views on the death sentence but there are some circumstances where nothing else seems suitable.

I guess we should wait for the full story to come out but it cannot be anything but worrying.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Shocking news and the courts need to be tough when sentencing

I would be in favour of minimum sentences for assault on police officers, whether that was 5, 10, 15 or more years. And the same would apply to ambulance and fire brigade staff. With mandatory life sentences, without any chance of parole, for killing any of the above.

 

[Hobbit]

The murder of a police officer/prison officer carries a whole of life tariff. Unfortunately it may end up as a manslaughter charge as it would be difficult to prove intent to kill in this instance.

So sad...

 

[Blue in Munich]

RIP Andrew Harper. My condolences to your family, and my thoughts are also with his colleagues and in particular his shift partner; whatever the circumstances it must be a hell of a burden to carry that the partner you started your shift with didn't clock off with you.

 

[Slime]

I dont hold strong views on the death sentence but there are some circumstances where nothing else seems suitable.

I guess we should wait for the full story to come out but it cannot be anything but worrying.

Unfortunately, I could only 'Like' this once!
I'd bring back the death penalty in an instant, no problems at all.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Seems the suspects may have come from a permanent traveller site. Surely those charged would have to remain on remand as they'd be transported away and hidden

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-49383132

 

[Parsaregood]

I would be in favour of minimum sentences for assault on police officers, whether that was 5, 10, 15 or more years. And the same would apply to ambulance and fire brigade staff. With mandatory life sentences, without any chance of parole, for killing any of the above.

Obviously a terrible thing that has happened but you could not have minimum sentencing for 'assault' on a police officer. There are times where officers may be in the wrong or use overly aggressive force and somebody may react by pushing or wrestling them off which in my mind is quite reasonable, this could be construed as assault by officers wanting to bend the law in their favour because not all of them are 100% honest

 

[Tashyboy]

Obviously a terrible thing that has happened but you could not have minimum sentencing for 'assault' on a police officer. There are times where officers may be in the wrong or use overly aggressive force and somebody may react by pushing or wrestling them off which in my mind is quite reasonable, this could be construed as assault by officers wanting to bend the law in their favour because not all of them are 100% honest

Do you have any stats where PCs have been assaulted and the CPS does not prosecute. Last years there was 31,000 assaults on officers. Daughter was involved in a high speed chase two weeks ago with some scrotes who nicked a car. Bottom line is the dog patrol let the dogs out when they did a runner. Both scrotes were caught. One dog did a job on one kid. One of the scrotes started gobbing off that he wanted his sliders. ( a slip on shoe) and that he had a right to them. Daughter said “yeah and the guy who Paid 25K for his car that you trashed had a right to that”. They/ scrotes don't give a toss about you, me or the police. Cannot recall once being in a situation were police have been overly physical with me. Maybe coz i dont go round in gangs or get bladdered every weekend or nick cars.

 

[Parsaregood]

Do you have any stats where PCs have been assaulted and the CPS does not prosecute. Last years there was 31,000 assaults on officers. Daughter was involved in a high speed chase two weeks ago with some scrotes who nicked a car. Bottom line is the dog patrol let the dogs out when they did a runner. Both scrotes were caught. One dog did a job on one kid. One of the scrotes started gobbing off that he wanted his sliders. ( a slip on shoe) and that he had a right to them. Daughter said “yeah and the guy who Paid 25K for his car that you trashed had a right to that”. They/ scrotes don't give a toss about you, me or the police. Cannot recall once being in a situation were police have been overly physical with me. Maybe coz i dont go round in gangs or get bladdered every weekend or nick cars.

So you're saying there's never a situation where an officer may be in the wrong or use unwarranted force upon someone? Or do you just say well even if the guy was innocent that's ok he could have deserved it if he'd done it ? Bollocks. I'm not entirely sure anybody who posts on here is a gang member, perhaps youd like to enlighten us with your thoughts.

 

[bobmac]

So you're saying there's never a situation where an officer may be in the wrong or use unwarranted force upon someone? Or do you just say well even if the guy was innocent that's ok he could have deserved it if he'd done it ?

I don't think he said either.

Cannot recall once being in a situation were police have been overly physical with me.

 

[Imurg]

If the Police officer was at fault and used excessive force then they would be in trouble and not the other way round. Any "harm" done by the member of the public could be justified in a case like that.
Minimum sentencing for assault on any of the emergency services should be bought in.

 

[Tashyboy]

So you're saying there's never a situation where an officer may be in the wrong or use unwarranted force upon someone? Or do you just say well even if the guy was innocent that's ok he could have deserved it if he'd done it ? Bollocks. I'm not entirely sure anybody who posts on here is a gang member, perhaps youd like to enlighten us with your thoughts.

Al tell you what will enlighten you. Try being in a strike for two years where other miners think you are tossers ( putting it kindly and still
Do) coz you wont be on strike coz you believe In a democratic vote. Then chuck in the met police who come up from London village who think nothing of winding up miners, antagonising them, getting physical with them when all the miners are trying to do is put food on there tables. Ave seen more police brutality and crossing the line than you can imagine. But that was back in the eighties. At the same time i have seen the countries finest coppers from Somerset. Since then and more recently Missis May has decimated the police force. Part of me thinks what comes around goes around. But part of me hears more *** that goes off on our streets than we want to hear thanks to my daughter being a firearms bobby in south yorks. The crap that they and other emergency services have to deal with on a day to day basis is nothing short of disgraceful. Unfortunately on top of the crap society we live in some people counter that with “ well bobbies get overly rough”. Sometimes “ please could you get in the back of the black mariah van” does not work with someone who is trying to take your head off with a machete. I think thats why most coppers now carry tasers as a minimum.

 

[Parsaregood]

Al tell you what will enlighten you. Try being in a strike for two years where other miners think you are tossers ( putting it kindly and still
Do) coz you wont be on strike coz you believe In a democratic vote. Then chuck in the met police who come up from London village who think nothing of winding up miners, antagonising them, getting physical with them when all the miners are trying to do is put food on there tables. Ave seen more police brutality and crossing the line than you can imagine. But that was back in the eighties. At the same i have seen the countries finest coppers from Somerset. Since then and more recently Missis May has decimated the police force. Part of me thinks what comes around goes around. But part of me hears more *** that goes off on our streets than we want to hear thanks to my daughter being a firearms bobby in south yorks. The crap that they and other emergency services have to deal with on a day to day basis is nothing short of disgraceful. Unfortunately on top of the crap society we live in some people counter that with “ well bobbies get overly rough”. Sometimes “ please could you get in the back of the black mariah van” does not work with someone who is trying to take your head off with a machete. I think thats why most coppers now carry tasers as a minimum.

You look at the miner point from their point of view and you look at the Police in today's terms from your daughter's point of view. There are two ways to look at everything, I'm not taking a side on any point. I do not think misuse of authority has disappeared however.

 

[Foxholer]

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Minimum sentencing for assault on any of the emergency services should be bought in.

I disagree! I don't believe in 'minimum sentencing' at all. To me, it's an essential and intrinsic part of a Judge's 'justice' role to set an appropriate sentence - considering all the circumstances. And there ARE guidelines that they generally/almost always follow. Both sides should also be able to 'appeal' a sentence considered inappropriate.

But there should be (and maybe are) separate, more severe, guidelines for assault etc. on emergency services staff.

 

[Grizzly]

Obviously a terrible thing that has happened but you could not have minimum sentencing for 'assault' on a police officer. There are times where officers may be in the wrong or use overly aggressive force and somebody may react by pushing or wrestling them off which in my mind is quite reasonable, this could be construed as assault by officers wanting to bend the law in their favour because not all of them are 100% honest

Yes you could - in the circumstances you describe the issue is whether the person accused is guilty or innocent, not whether they should serve a given tariff if found guilty. Of course, the situation is a little more nuanced than that - and the changes in the law that would best address it are the same. I would suggest adopting a system akin to that in the States whereby a person committing a criminal act accepts the full impact of their actions (so should someone die as a result, the crime is murder, even if the means of death was unforeseen)

 

[Tashyboy]

You look at the miner point from their point of view and you look at the Police in today's terms from your daughter's point of view. There are two ways to look at everything, I'm not taking a side on any point. I do not think misuse of authority has disappeared however.

Para your description of two sides/ways to look at things is me. If we look at the miners strike ( of which me dad will say which one as he was in three). I talked about both sides. I striked then went to work. In essence i scabbed. But i saw and still do see both sides. I saw good and bad coppers in that time. I saw coppers doing maggies work. But since then I have been enlightened to the police of today. Police being armed because of the terrorist threat but using there skills because of drug dealers carrying knives and guns. Bottom line for me knowing all that is that none if our emergency services go to work expecting to be assaulted in our hour of need. As much as i talk rammel, my motto is “sit on the fence”. You will see both sides. Some in society need to do that a bit more often. And if i am honest, so do some on this forum. And i don’t mean you 😘

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Para your description of two sides/ways to look at things is me. If we look at the miners strike ( of which me dad will say which one as he was in three). I talked about both sides. I striked then went to work. In essence i scabbed. But i saw and still do see both sides. I saw good and bad coppers in that time. I saw coppers doing maggies work. But since then I have been enlightened to the police of today. Police being armed because of the terrorist threat but using there skills because of drug dealers carrying knives and guns. Bottom line for me knowing all that is that none if our emergency services go to work expecting to be assaulted in our hour of need. As much as i talk rammel, my motto is “sit on the fence”. You will see both sides. Some in society need to do that a bit more often. And if i am honest, so do some on this forum. And i don’t mean you 😘

Now you're living the life of a scab, you can't really call Thatchers lot can you?