Paul Nutter
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PhilTheFragger
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Some might argue that you are doing the same
I disagree with pretty well everything that Nuttall is quoted as saying in that article, but I will uphold his right to have those opinions.
Feel free to disagree with those opinions, but don't go labelling others here who don't agree with you.
learn to agree to disagree, its an art form
Do you mean the will of 37% of eligible voters, or 22% of the total UK population?
Doon frae Troon
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Farage......the man who led his party to one MP status.:lol:
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
Yes but that's down the the first past the post system and gerrymandering that has gone on over the centuries by both major parties.
Even though I do not really want to see UKIP in any position of power and influence, I think we need PR in the UK more than we have ever done to try and drive through some consensus politics and get politicians working more together. Before we disappear further into the hellhole that is US political debate where it just constant disagreement with whatever the other party says (that's indeed if they ever do say anything about policies), before they have even listened to what they have said.
ger147
Tour Winner
Did he not also lead them to victory in a UK wide election?
Doon frae Troon
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Totally agree. Westminster needs drag itself out of the last century and adopt the Scottish voting system.
Doon frae Troon
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No.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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I cannot frustrate 'the will of the people' if I do not know what that is other than 'leave EU' - and I do not wish that to be frustrated because - yes - that could lead to Nuttall having a very important part in the political life of this country, and IMO that would be disastrous for the social cohesion and well-being of this country.
And btw leaving the EU is not 'the will of the people' - it is the will of the small majority of 'the people' who voted for leave, and they do not speak for me.
In talking of 'Leave' 'being 'the will of the people' you ignore the will of the large minority voter, and I believe that doing so will cause significant issues in the future were Brexit to not be quite as magical as it is painted by that small majority.
But hey - the Complainers will continue to moan that we 'losers' won't shut up. Well we won't until there is evidence that we are being properly listened to and our views, worries and concerns are being taken into account. And I doubt I will hear much of that from Paul Nuttall.
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ger147
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SwingsitlikeHogan
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It will be interesting to understand how he would do that. Unless (god forfend) it's just words to appeal to a certain constituency of voter
I'm not a fan of either the party or the man but you have to acknowledge what he has achieved. Incidentally, his win ratio in referendums is better than the SNP's, 1 for 1 rather than 0 for 2 in recent history. He has certainly left his mark on UK politics.
MegaSteve
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Until the UK adopts something like the Australian voting system, and there's a number of parties, we will alway have governments who don't represent a majority.
Tashyboy
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Apart from Scotland, Scotland, Brexit and America I don't think your logic has much credit :whoo:
Tashyboy
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I have always been a fan of proportional representation, but the big two ie Labour and the Tories would not want it as they would be the main losers. I think that is why the radical Farage and others that say it is wrong get lambasted because they don't play the " look after ourselves game".
ColchesterFC
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And how would the views, worries and concerns of those that voted Leave have been taken into account if the vote had been reversed? Do you really think that they would have been addressed at all or do you think that the UK would have simply carried on being a member of the EU with absolutely no changes?
Which takes us right back to the question that you have been asked several times and have refused or failed to answer............
If the result had gone the other way and Remain had won what concessions would have been given to those that voted Leave?
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
Oh I think Farage is just the same as the others when it comes to selfish reasons and looking after his interests, don't fall for the man of the people schtick. Yes he has played his hand and portrayed a certain image very well, but he is just as interested in looking after the interests of his party as Labour or the Conservatives are.
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
We'll never know but if it would have been close the other way then I'd of expected that there would be more concessions to the UKIP point of view by the tories. Plus I would not have been surprised if Cameron (or whoever would have been in charge) would have used the closeness of the vote as a bargaining chip with the EU to extract more concessions.
Of course this is all guesswork, but I imagine they would have taken a pragmatic view on it with the need to retain power and not have conservative MPs and voters drifting off to UKIP paramount in their their thoughts. After all, that's why they called the damn thing in the first place.
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I'm a bit confused here - whose opinion am I demeaning ? Nuttal or Socket as Socket didn't actually post an opinion more a comment about googling an article and as I said in my post the response didn't actually concentrate on what the article said but more about the person who posted the article and myself using google ?
