Par 5s, Start and Finish

J55TTC

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I was a junior member at Amanzimtoti golf club near Durban in South Africa while growing up. Long par 5 opener fairway slopes left to right all the way up to a 2 tier green. 18th is a copy of Sawgrass’ 18th with a beach/lagoon OB all down the left side... was tough but fond memories
 

HomerJSimpson

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So if your 2 ball off yellows takes 8 minutes to play the hole, then the 4 behind them take 12, both your scenarios, guess what the gap will be.... 🤔

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In an ideal world but how often does that happen. Both hit the green off the yellows, two putt and move on - arguably in less than 8 minutes. The 4 go right (where we have OOB) or left (deep rough and a pond) short right towards a line of trees and say two go straight. Potentially at least one reload, some time looking for the balls "in case" and then some time looking for the ball towards the trees. No guarantee of hitting the green in two, so playing three. All the usual faffing on the green and suddenly it's up towards 15 minutes. Not ideal, but seen it happen (and probably been responsible over the years too). Simply pointing out that different scenarios can have a distinct effect on the initial pace. However with the par 5 second, it does seem to even itself and flow from there
 

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The point is that there is an instant 1 hole gap between groups.
Pace of play can't really begin until you've actually started so the actual start times become superfluous as you'll probably be a minute or two "late" because the green hasn't cleared.
Once you're away you have that spacing......and let's face it..I doubt there's many clubs that start with a par 3 like yours that adds 50% to the distance yellow to white....
 

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The point is that there is an instant 1 hole gap between groups.
Pace of play can't really begin until you've actually started so the actual start times become superfluous as you'll probably be a minute or two "late" because the green hasn't cleared.
Once you're away you have that spacing......and let's face it..I doubt there's many clubs that start with a par 3 like yours that adds 50% to the distance yellow to white....
I agree about the last part. I remember when we had the first meet there and everyone milled about the yellows thinking this doesn't look too shabby until I directed them to the whites. I do think allowing members the choice of which tee they use does add an extra layer to getting people off equally spaced. It does seem to work in practice with the par 5 second
 

TheJezster

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I'd love a par 5 to start. We start with a 230ish par 3, with OB left and bushes and trees right. Followed by SI 1 par 4. Its a brute of a start, bogey bogey you'd take off the tee!
We do finish with a par 5 though and it's a great opportunity to end on a high.

BiMs course is a good start though!
 

Orikoru

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My course starts with a tricky medium length par 3, I'd rather start the round on a par 5 any day. Slapping a driver or 5 wood down a fairway for the first shot of the day would be lovely. Whereas we have to hit a long iron / hybrid to a two tier green surrounded by 5 bunkers.

Our 10th is the only par 5 on the course, and one time I had the opportunity to play the nines the other way round, starting on the 10th. I much preferred it! Shot one of my best rounds.

Our 18th is a tricky par 4 with a ditch going across, unless you can carry the ball well over 200 (I can't) then it's a lay-up and 160-170 to the green. So I'd take a par 5 over that as well really.
 

Liverbirdie

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Slightly different question, but are there any courses that start or end with the SI1 hole?
Its unusual as SI guidelines say not to make any of holes 1,2,17 and 18 any of the SI 1,2,17 or 18 (any of the 4).

However, I do know of one - Huyton and Prescot in Liverpool's 1st is SI 1, although when playing matchplay if extra holes are required, it reverts to SI 7.
 
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We start with a 420ish par 4 with trouble everywhere for drives - would like a par 5 start.

Our 17th plays the hardest hole most weeks, advised they can't make it SI1
 

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Royal County Down starts and finishes with par-5s. Neither are among the most difficult holes on the course, but being RCD you can always find trouble on them. They run in opposite directions so unless the wind has shifted while you are out, one will be into the wind. If the wind has shifted, both may be.
 
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