So should we recall all these, or wait just like we did for their mate to surface only to murder innocents?
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You would hope they would be looking into all those released to understand the threat and then also looking into the laws they created to allow people to be released
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Legally they can’t be recalled for no reason, all should be reviewed (boris claimed today there were over 70 that have been released)
All should be reviewed and were appropriate the relevant action taken.
2 possible scenarios:
1, The intelligence services may have some of them being watched and if they are simply lifted it may have an adverse reaction on stopping or catching more.
2, Some Human Rights Lawyer sues the Government on their behalf and they are freed again in a few months with a pocket full of cash and the possibility we’ve given them cash to fund terrorists activities.
What we should/need to do is review all of them at the highest level and ensure both the Security Services, Probation Services and anyone else with an eye on them is correctly funded and resourced to carry out the job required.
Any knee jerk reaction could come back to bite us.
PhilTheFragger
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Accidents happen all the time Bri.
Let’s not take this tangent any further please
Hacker Khan
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A father of one of the victims is showing a lot of class, arguably more then some politicians...
I don’t see anything in those headlines or in the content other than factual news, in that, a review of those 70+ like Usman are being reviewed urgently, and rightly so, and that an arrest quickly followed of one of those on licence for plotting a terrorist attack, who just happened to be also from Staffordshire!
There‘s an obviously and direct link to the atrocities of London Bridge and those that lost their lives in regards to this immediate and needed review and further arrests need to be reported for the public to see that stronger and proactive action is being taken in the wake of such an incident.
The victims personal or political views or those of their parents should not hinder the free press from reporting such positive news just because they are staunchly against the Conservatives or any right of centre newspapers.
oxymoron
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Regarding the bit in bold , i do not think there was an execution by any stretch of the imagination and saying such is very emotive .
I do not know whether i favor capital punishment i , personally would need more information on the safeguards etc but we do need better systems
to monitor\imprison these people , its no good pointing the finger at 1 party i think it is a general society shift in how the prison regimes are
instigated and we need to make sure what we have is fit for purpose .
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Tell you something for nothing - the idea of Christian forgiveness isn't always easy in practice...
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I am afraid I would have to disagree.
In promoting his more liberal stance the victim's father is nearly as guilty of exploiting this tragic event as the "hang 'em, flog 'em" brigade.
I appreciate it must be extremely difficult for him but I think he would have been better served by maintaining a dignified silence and indifference towards those publications.
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
It's not the fact that they are not reporting 'factual' news that I think he is upset about. More that in his opinion based on everything him and his son stood for, the news and the way he perceives politicians are using his sons death is not 'positive' in his opinion.
Hacker Khan
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So his son is killed and he should not say anything about how he perceives the actions of politicians/media on the back of the incident are against everything his son stood for? I personally think he is showing remarkable understanding and compassion at such a terrible time for his family. When should victims of these type of incidents speak out then?
SwingsitlikeHogan
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And let's not forget that perhaps what the father is subconsciously pointing us towards are the words of Gordon Wilson on the murder of his daughter Marie by the IRA that Enniskillen Remembrance Day.
Gordon Wilson forgave her killers and added: "I shall pray for those people tonight and every night."
"I have lost my daughter, and we shall miss her. But I bear no ill will. I bear no grudge. Dirty sort of talk is not going to bring her back to life.
Gordon Wilson forgave her killers and added: "I shall pray for those people tonight and every night."
"I have lost my daughter, and we shall miss her. But I bear no ill will. I bear no grudge. Dirty sort of talk is not going to bring her back to life.
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I see no evidence of anyone "using" his son's death for political gain.
Politicians should be expected to react in the wake of a terrorist attack. That, after all, is part of their remit.
The general consensus seems to be that the circumstances surrounding the attacker's previous sentence and release should, at least, be subject to review and discussion.
The father's response, whilst possibly understandable, is intended to influence the discussion in the same way as those newspapers.
I disagree, I wouldn’t want my sons death to not change anything thus protecting others from the same heinous crime.
I’ve read a lot about his views on our current judicial system and his focus in wanting to radically change them, in lessening lengthy sentences and not detaining people unnecessarily, the term ‘draconian sentences’ has been used, or in simple words, softening up our current system, when in fact, which is evident by his loss of life, they need totally the opposite!
This terrorist and callous murderer used the current [soft] system to fool good people with his views into a false situation where he then planned to kill as many innocent people as possible.
Personally I agree with a new category being formed for Terrorists that simply mean they get a life sentence, no parole, life means life, period.
You cannot and will not de radicalised these people, if you let them out, after any period of time, they will simply start to kill again in some manner either directly or indirectly, as such, a life term for terrorism is what’s needed, and I’m confident that the young man in question would voted
against such a sentence, but unfortunately he’s died by the evident failures of his own beliefs, which is a shame.
Hacker Khan
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Really?
Would they have posted these attacks on Corbyn for political gain if the incident would have not happened?
SocketRocket
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gmc40
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Shameless aren’t they. This pretty much sums them up;
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Well it didn’t take too long for some to use it as a political scoring point - no surprise it’s the usuals. Some people should be ashamed
SocketRocket
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No one is doing that. The Thread is about the terrorists, whether they should be let out on license and the way politicians have been involved in their sentences. You seem to be suggesting its something people shouldnt debate, its nothing to do with disrespect for the victims, its about dealing with the perpetrators.
