Orikoru's Swing Thread (with videos)

[Orikoru]

Took a video of driver as well last night. Pleased to say the slices are becoming fewer. I actually tugged a few of these left to start with, but that sort of tells me I've over-corrected and can hopefully dial it back - no bad thing. The last two on this video were more like the shape I expect to see, a high-ish fade. I think the third one was a bit of a skinny, toppy one. The 5th one I think was poor, which is why I hit two more for the video, which were better.

As you'll see there, I think the main thing I'm doing that's working is just pulling the right foot back and flared out a fraction. This is keeping my stance a bit closed, back to target for longer, and meaning I don't swipe across the ball.

 

[bobmac]

I actually tugged a few of these left to start with, but that sort of tells me I've over-corrected and can hopefully dial it back -

No, that means you are only half way there.
Swingpath still left (out to in) clubface now square to the path.
Ball goes straight left.

Aim your whole body right, then hit the tug on purpose. IT WILL GO STRAIGHT.
I don't know how many ways I can tell you.
If you can't do it your way on the range after 20 balls, you certainly aren't going to to do it on the first tee.
But you seem determined to ignore me and do it your own way, fair enough, you know better.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

No, that means you are only half way there.
Swingpath still left (out to in) clubface now square to the path.
Ball goes straight left.

Aim your whole body right, then hit the tug on purpose. IT WILL GO STRAIGHT.
I don't know how many ways I can tell you.
If you can't do it your way on the range after 20 balls, you certainly aren't going to to do it on the first tee.
But you seem determined to ignore me and do it your own way, fair enough, you know better.

I understand but I see his point as it must feel counter-intuitive. I do think he needs a range session just going down your road to have something to compare against

 

[Orikoru]

No, that means you are only half way there.
Swingpath still left (out to in) clubface now square to the path.
Ball goes straight left.

Aim your whole body right, then hit the tug on purpose. IT WILL GO STRAIGHT.
I don't know how many ways I can tell you.
If you can't do it your way on the range after 20 balls, you certainly aren't going to to do it on the first tee.
But you seem determined to ignore me and do it your own way, fair enough, you know better.

Bit rude? I always respect your input Bob, but there's no need for the attitude!

In all fairness I'm just never going to be brave enough to aim completely right on the golf course, because I know I've still got a slice in me, so if I do that while aiming right then it's absolutely gone off the planet. I'm much happier aiming left side of middle, generally it will fade back, if I pull it a little it's just left rough which I'm happy with, if I slice it a little it's right rough which is fine. If I use your method, I feel I would potentially hit more fairways, but the sliced ones will be lost balls. So net loss overall.

I've not ignored you, I'm simply meeting halfway at a point that's still comfortable for me to play golf with.

 

[MACM85]

Bit rude? I always respect your input Bob, but there's no need for the attitude!

In all fairness I'm just never going to be brave enough to aim completely right on the golf course, because I know I've still got a slice in me, so if I do that while aiming right then it's absolutely gone off the planet. I'm much happier aiming left side of middle, generally it will fade back, if I pull it a little it's just left rough which I'm happy with, if I slice it a little it's right rough which is fine. If I use your method, I feel I would potentially hit more fairways, but the sliced ones will be lost balls. So net loss overall.

I've not ignored you, I'm simply meeting halfway at a point that's still comfortable for me to play golf with.

You may be surprised if you were to aim further right the effect it will have on the ball direction. It is an odd thing. Further left you aim the more the slice will be if you are over the top.

Aim right stops the body from being so much over the top. Try it on the range for a session and see how brave you get to try it on the course.

 

[adasko]

Need some structure in that range session, all you do is fast practice swing and bang.
Doing same thing over and over and expecting different result is definition of insanity.
Why don't you try several slow practice swings and gradually speed it up.
Every time I'm changing something with my swing I'm starting from small and slow swings and gradually build it up.
Only hitting full shot every 10/15 swings.
Challenge is try to hit ball with slowest swing possible.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Bit rude? I always respect your input Bob, but there's no need for the attitude!

In all fairness I'm just never going to be brave enough to aim completely right on the golf course, because I know I've still got a slice in me, so if I do that while aiming right then it's absolutely gone off the planet. I'm much happier aiming left side of middle, generally it will fade back, if I pull it a little it's just left rough which I'm happy with, if I slice it a little it's right rough which is fine. If I use your method, I feel I would potentially hit more fairways, but the sliced ones will be lost balls. So net loss overall.

I've not ignored you, I'm simply meeting halfway at a point that's still comfortable for me to play golf with.

Don't forget you dabbled with the Eureka method and that has club aiming right and hips left. I would certainly try it on the range and be rigid about the aiming right as I am sure it'll revert to normal if you don't keep and eye on it

 

[Orikoru]

You may be surprised if you were to aim further right the effect it will have on the ball direction. It is an odd thing. Further left you aim the more the slice will be if you are over the top.

Aim right stops the body from being so much over the top. Try it on the range for a session and see how brave you get to try it on the course.

Even when I hit pulls, they still tend to fade, that's all. It's a slow process. I will certainly hit a few like that next time I'm at the range and see what happens.

Need some structure in that range session, all you do is fast practice swing and bang.
Doing same thing over and over and expecting different result is definition of insanity.
Why don't you try several slow practice swings and gradually speed it up.
Every time I'm changing something with my swing I'm starting from small and slow swings and gradually build it up.
Only hitting full shot every 10/15 swings.
Challenge is try to hit ball with slowest swing possible.

That would probably help me in shortening the backswing, for sure. But I don't do this hitting balls for the whole session, it's just at the beginning to see what I'm working with usually. After that I play a virtual course on the trackman and treat each shot as I would on the course.

 

[bobmac]

I'm not rude, just at the end of my patience.
I was trying to help you cure your slice which would help you in the wind but it seems you have accepted being a slicer.
Good luck

 

[MACM85]

Even when I hit pulls, they still tend to fade, that's all. It's a slow process. I will certainly hit a few like that next time I'm at the range and see what happens.



That would probably help me in shortening the backswing, for sure. But I don't do this hitting balls for the whole session, it's just at the beginning to see what I'm working with usually. After that I play a virtual course on the trackman and treat each shot as I would on the course.

If they start left and come right then I say the face is open to path and that is what causes it to go right.

This time last year I was a horrible slicer with driver. So much that I didn't use it. Now i enjoy hitting driver. I have a draw as the standard option then when I get too handsy it is a hook but I know that is on me not something of concern as need to remember to turn the body.

Lots of work and you will get something that is consistent and you're happy with

 

[Orikoru]

I'm not rude, just at the end of my patience.
I was trying to help you cure your slice which would help you in the wind but it seems you have accepted being a slicer.
Good luck

Why are you so grumpy?? Your advice has helped, I said at the top of that post that my slices are becoming fewer in number.

If they start left and come right then I say the face is open to path and that is what causes it to go right.

This time last year I was a horrible slicer with driver. So much that I didn't use it. Now i enjoy hitting driver. I have a draw as the standard option then when I get too handsy it is a hook but I know that is on me not something of concern as need to remember to turn the body.

Lots of work and you will get something that is consistent and you're happy with

Agreed on the top point - this why Bob is saying is saying shut the face and hit straight pulls to the left. I'm happy being a fader though, when I'm driving well I'll happily hit fades all the way round and it feels like I can control that. So maybe I'm lining up fairly straight to target once I've moved my right foot back, then sort of hitting pull-fades that come back to the middle. As opposed to trying to hit a straight ball but having a two-way miss, which is not manageable.

To go from a slice to an actual draw is pretty impressive. I'm not sure that'll ever be within my grasp. But as I say, happy with a controllable fade, which I've had in the past, and I'm slowly getting there again.

 

[Voyager EMH]

Two things I have noticed is amount of weight remaining on back foot at impact - though difficult to be sure on a vid - it appears that way to me though.
A big dip of the head - down and towards the ball - into orange oval - at impact - compared with top of backswing.



Second screenshot is after impact. Head has started to rise again a bit. Couldn't snip exact impact.

Whether these are things that need to be "corrected" I will leave up to you and/or others to say.
If it is your natural swing and it works for you - I would not worry about it.

 

[Orikoru]

Does everyone not do that?

 

[Voyager EMH]

Does everyone not do that?

To a degree, I believe.
Your dip seems just a bit excessive - could be the camera angle making it seem that way.
Just something to think about.
If it seems natural and OK you to - that's fine.

 

[rulie]

Two things I have noticed is amount of weight remaining on back foot at impact - though difficult to be sure on a vid - it appears that way to me though.
A big dip of the head - down and towards the ball - into orange oval - at impact - compared with top of backswing.

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Second screenshot is after impact. Head has started to rise again a bit. Couldn't snip exact impact.

Whether these are things that need to be "corrected" I will leave up to you and/or others to say.
If it is your natural swing and it works for you - I would not worry about it.

Feet flared out instead of square to the line. Club "over the line" at top of backswing instead of down the line. Right elbow not tucked close enough to body.

 

[Voyager EMH]

Feet flared out instead of square to the line. Club "over the line" at top of backswing instead of down the line. Right elbow not tucked close enough to body.

 

[bobmac]

Feet flared out instead of square to the line.

The ball doesn't care

Club "over the line" at top of backswing instead of down the line.

The ball doesn't care

Right elbow not tucked close enough to body.

The ball doesn't care

All the ball cares about is.....

1. The swing path just before and after impact
2. Where the clubface is pointing just before and after impact
3. The swing speed just before and after impact
4. The angle of attack
5. Where on the clubface the ball hits
As the OP is concentrating on reducing his slice, the fist 2 are the targets for improvement.

 

[rulie]

The ball doesn't care

The ball doesn't care

The ball doesn't care

All the ball cares about is.....

1. The swing path just before and after impact
2. Where the clubface is pointing just before and after impact
3. The swing speed just before and after impact
4. The angle of attack
5. Where on the clubface the ball hits
As the OP is concentrating on reducing his slice, the fist 2 are the targets for improvement.

Most of the things you've listed are influenced by body alignment, body and club movements. A proper starting position enhances positions through the swing itself.
Obviously, the ball doesn't care, but the player cares where the ball goes!

 

[rulie]

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It's apparent that the poster does not have the talent of John Daly!

 

[Voyager EMH]

It's apparent that the poster does not have the talent of John Daly!

But he's working on it.

"Working towards" - can't get there without this.