OOB Marker

[Fyldewhite]

The rules really are quite simple on this if you start in the right place......definitions.

Out of bounds includes this: "Stakes identifying out of bounds are not obstructions and are deemed to be fixed." So, the rules about obstructions or movable obstructions are straight away irrelevant as they are not obstructions and also can't be moved (because they are deemed to be fixed). In other words....NO relief, ever.

So, in the circumstances described this would be a little harsh, hence the decision, and recommendation (for the reasons Rulefan pointed out) to make them immovable obstructions during play of the hole where they don't define OOB.

 

[duncan mackie]

I'm not with that. Without the local rule they are simply Out of Bounds stakes and consequently not obstructions, are they ?

Fwiw I agree with you - not sure what rulefan is referencing here, and subsequently.

But we have both been wrong before!

 

[Foxholer]

Why can't things be explained and written in layman's terms without all the jargon and confusing wording, a simple all OOB markers are fixed and cannot be removed unless in the following circumstances......

KISS

There has to have a certain amount of jargon, but, imo, Rules of Golf does an excellent job of keeping it as simple as possible. It is essential that the Definitions are consulted to clarify any jargon, as in this case or, for a more dramatic example, how two balls that you can pick up can both be Lost!

And, to stress once again, the Rules should be read absolutely literally - with no interpretation (save references to Definitions).

 

[winty57]

Thanks for the interest in this, what is the pemnalty then for removing one to play a shot?

 

[Spuddy]

Thanks for the interest in this, what is the pemnalty then for removing one to play a shot?

2 stroke penalty in stroke play or loss of hole in matchplay for a breach of 13-2

 

[stevelev]

2 stroke penalty in stroke play or loss of hole in matchplay for a breach of 13-2

Unless there is a local allowing free relief or removal. Always check with committee, and if you are ever unsure of a ruling play a second ball declaring to playing partners that you are doing that until a decision is given by the committee.

 

[rulefan]

I'm not with that. Without the local rule they are simply Out of Bounds stakes and consequently not obstructions, are they ?

Sorry for the delay, I have been away.

My terminology was very sloppy. I used the word obstruction instead of object.

They (OOB markers) are not Obstructions (either movable or immovable) by definition. Which means that if they can be moved they are movable artificial objects (as in 24-1/3). In order to prevent their removal decision 24/5 should be used.

 

[Spuddy]

Sorry for the delay, I have been away.

My terminology was very sloppy. I used the word obstruction instead of object.

They (OOB markers) are not Obstructions (either movable or immovable) by definition. Which means that if they can be moved they are movable artificial objects (as in 24-1/3). In order to prevent their removal decision 24/5 should be used.

im still not getting this. The definitions say that stakes defining OOB are fixed so that would make them immoveable artificial objects and 24-2b/21 would apply.

 

[hovis]

This is a simple rule. I was on the patio at the belfry listening to a visiting society (about 30 golfers) they were all saying it was ok for one of the guys to have removed the oob marker to take his shot. the guy said " they can't be removed " the entire group agreed that they could. Whilst listening i got the rule up on my phone and passed it to said stranger. After seeing it in black and white the group still wouldn't accept they couldn't be removed. We have no local rule in place either

 

[rulefan]

im still not getting this. The definitions say that stakes defining OOB are fixed so that would make them immoveable artificial objects and 24-2b/21 would apply.

Oops. Hang head in shame.

Got myself confused. The reason for the local rule is of course to give player relief when playing the 'other' hole. The definition itself prevents players messing about with them.
Apologies to all.

It proves the point about referees :angry:

 

[Colin L]

And red wine, perchance?

 

[rulefan]

And red wine, perchance?

Possibly. But switching to rosé and a spot of sunshine works wonders.

 

[Colin L]

Welcome back. I'd hoped you were on holiday rather than something being wrong!